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hello welcome to paranormal mysteries on

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access Northwest community radio here in

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lovely Liverpool I'd just like to say a

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big thank you to polymer Ghana for

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sponsoring the show with her book

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doctors they'll be more to come on that

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Tonight Show it's probably long overdue

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and will not be nearly long enough to

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cover the 70 billion issues but we will

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give it the old college try it's been a

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completely bonkers few years very

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dramatic very ugly and beyond anyone's

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scope of understanding from the outside

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it could look like a big gossipy fight

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but when you get into the details you

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quickly understand that this is the most

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convoluted calm the world has ever seen

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I have been investigating Larry Warren

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for three years and I'm uncovering stuff

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on a daily basis and my jaw is

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permanently bruised aside from

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everything that has gone before

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last week Gary Heseltine posted a video

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on Facebook of himself on Warren

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discussing his so-called evidence the

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pile is getting smaller and many things

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are being ignored by Gary Heseltine as

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he desperately tries to convince

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everyone Larry is not a liar

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well one man who knows even better than

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I do about that is peter robbins who was

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Warren's co arthur and staunch supporter

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for around 28 years he wrote three books

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one was left at Eastgate which is about

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Warren's account of a UFO event and also

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his life the other two were both written

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defending Warren against the many

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detractors he has always had none of

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those detractors who were farmer friends

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no matter what Gary Heseltine says about

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him being told the fact of the matter is

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that this hasn't absolutely nothing to

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do with Gary Gary didn't even come into

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this until the a10 photo debacle where

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it was fully understood that that photo

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was in fact a total fake since that

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point Gary has declared us all to be

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trolls this was initially about me

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discovering I had been lied to by a man

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hides I had supported for nine years and

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put a roof over his head for months

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I called Warren out directly he

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immediately threatened my home and set

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about lying to everyone about me

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then I saw that Mei pang had said in an

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online news outlet that the Lenin sketch

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draw scallop bought from Warren was a

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fake I repeated the news and then I was

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accused of trying to ruin his

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memorabilia business

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I called Warren out in a Facebook post

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at the beginning of February 2016

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I wrote left out at Eastgate in May 2016

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the a 10 thing was discovered in January

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2017 and Gary got involved then in

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November he announced the capable green

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film was a thing then in January set

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about trolling myself and my friends

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like I said this had nothing to do with

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Gary it was never about Capel green he

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made it about the film and himself gary

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keeps calling me the lead troll but how

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can I be the trial when I am talking

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about events that happened in my own

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life and he's trying to only all for his

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own public notoriety and financial gain

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now he has leveled his attacks at Peter

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Robbins who was a longtime friend the

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co-author and UFO investigator in his

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own right people seem to think that they

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were joined at the hip are possibly

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living together like Bert and Ernie

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nothing could be further from the truth

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the book left Eastgate was written 20

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odd years ago and even now Peter and

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Warren have been friends all that time

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the last time they spoke together was at

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2014 at the second UFO truth conference

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and the time before that was at the

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weird weekend in 2007 they would have

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been speaking together in 2016 at the

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Scottish SBI conference in Glasgow but

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Warren was banned for making threats of

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violence at the venue most of their

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interaction on Facebook was when Warren

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dragged pizza into his fights with the

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people who did not believe him or simply

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didn't know the Rendlesham story and so

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he would resort to insults and threats

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in May 2017 just a year after left out

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at Eastgate I wrote an open letter to

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Peter he had written a letter to Warren

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in the previous October or November I

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read that letter and said those are my

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questions too

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eventually Peter had to look at the

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evidence and here we are today Peter

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thanks for hanging in there where I got

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all this out of the way now one of the

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reasons that we are talking today guess

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the catalyst is because of the video

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published last week I know none of us

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because some to hear his voice so I will

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be reading out some segments and

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referring to others where he talks about

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you and your sister Helen who sadly

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passed away

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the huge builder and waffle was all to

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establish he knew Helen himself which we

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knew but it is the reason why and the

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way he does this that is so sinister

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it's a single most passive-aggressive

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display I think I have seen in my entire

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48 years of bumbling around this planet

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he is acting that he cares about you and

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that he is appalled about what you have

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done to him but what a nice guy and how

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generous he is talking in such a nice

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way when he names all the members of

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your family and blatantly lies about you

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but before we go into all that I think

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we should start with the first time that

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we actually met in 2007 in Liverpool

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when my friend and I we actually came to

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Liverpool to collect yourself and Larry

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to drive you down to Devon because you

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were both speaking at the weird weekend

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and Sarah and I had bought tickets to go

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to that event because we were both weird

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and it sounded like a laugh so welcome

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to the show thank you thank you it's

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good to be on the show and even though

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you restated it I co-authored left that

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he skate and then wrote two follow-up

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books on my own continuing to defend

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Larry but yes I I remember our meeting

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very well and the pleasant right through

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the night drive that we had to get down

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to Devon one of the reasons I wanted to

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speak at the conference was because

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after probably 15 visits to the United

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Kingdom this was going to be my

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opportunity to visit Devon an area that

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I had not visited previously and I

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respected John Downs in his work and

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looking forward to speaking at

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conference I remember besides the

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conversation through the night we were

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listening to the then new CD by the late

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great Amy Winehouse Back to Black which

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I was very moved by and it was my first

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you know deep repeated listening to that

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amazing artist but as we had mentioned

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in chatting before going on the air that

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evening right before you and Sara pulled

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up to the house and Larry and I headed

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out with you two things I remember

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earlier that afternoon Larry and I

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either coming out or heading out to have

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a bite to eat at a local restaurant and

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there was a harley-davidson motorcycle

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parked on the street very near the

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building where he had his little bed

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sitting room and he told me it was his

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bike Wow cool

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why would he lie about anything like

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that well why would he lie about

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anything night no better now anyway

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a few minutes before you literally

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picked us up he was doing some

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last-minute stuff and I noticed in the

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corner an article of clothing that

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looked like it had just been cloned

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thrown into the corner what drew my

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attention to it was kind of stood out

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there was nothing else around it it was

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you know part the material was dungaree

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but there was a flash of color and I

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went over out of curiosity and picked it

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up and you could knock me over with a

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feather when I turned it around and held

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it and I saw that it was a jean jacket

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with the sleeves cut off and on the back

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was sown the large patch identifying it

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as Hells Angels motorcycle club

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Manchester and I was holding it when

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Larry came out of the bathroom and he

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looked at me and I looked at him and I

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was kind of in shock and said are you

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Ethel's angel and he said yeah and I

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how long have you been a Hells Angel and

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I think he said three and a half years I

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I was totally taken aback and I said

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when were you going to tell me like your

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dear friend and your co-author and your

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business partner and all that stuff and

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he said I'm telling you now and what I

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thought to myself I can't repeat but I

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was intimidated like Hells Angel Wow

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that's kind of intense and you never

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talked about it

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therefore I can only assume that you

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didn't want me to know anyway we started

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the ride with me being very glad I had

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other people to talk to because this had

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totally weirded me out again as you know

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we'll discuss the main thing about Larry

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if there's a thread that runs through

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everything about him is he's a liar he

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lies about anything he lies with

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conviction with intensity he'll do it

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looking right into your eyes and he'll

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double down if you call him on it and if

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ultimately you can present proof that he

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is lying he will attack you he will

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threaten you he will change the subject

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or come up with some excuse or reasoning

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or rationale to take your attention away

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and that's who he is

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mm-hmm now the reason that I wanted to

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go back to that point in time was

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because when we turned up outside the

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flats you've never said anything about

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the harley-davidson I don't even

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remember seeing it but when we watch

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Awards at the the front door he kind of

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like gestured with his hand sort of

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waved it around in the air and said oh

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this is all mine I rent it out so he was

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telling us that this building and that

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he was the landlord and he rented it out

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and I thought well you know when I I

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kind of realized while after that that

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wasn't

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case and it happens a lot and a lot of

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girls are women I'll actually you know

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back me up here sometimes when we meet

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guys

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they tell fibs to make them know they

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think that it's going to make you more

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attractive to us that we're going to be

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impressed with great wealth fabulous car

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whatever it is yeah that's the you know

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the for the whole Arang and you're your

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original initiative for so viciously

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attacking Larry after you know he had

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just been a guest in your home was your

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ulterior motive which I understand a

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number of other women at this point also

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have kind of gotten in his grad bit and

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bad graces about that they have wanted

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very much to sleep with him and he has

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rejected them and then as they say

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they're you know he'll have no scorn or

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no something like scorn whatever that

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that statement is and what always struck

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me is quirky about your obvious ulterior

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motives in in your rage at being

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rejected sexually by Larry was how are

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your then boyfriend now husband kind of

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accommodated you by welcome Larry into

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your home and then helping it back at

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him by faking all those photoshopped

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pictures of him and op stars I I think

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David I'm going back in time because

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it's so outrageous that this well

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obviously you know we have a small house

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we have a very large garden but we have

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a very small house and to suggest that

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I'd moved him in here so I could have an

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affair with him under Dave's nose in

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front of the children

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funnily because I've known him for nine

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years not been single a lot of the times

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of them and I've literally never but

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another thing that I wanted to talk

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about about the weird weekend was and I

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don't want to go too deeply into this

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but obviously there was the whole Jew

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[\h__\h] boy thing that went on that was

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said about you but one of the things

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that he did used to say all the time is

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how tight you were now you're right in

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the book with him for him he asked you

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to write it for him and now he acts like

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right with him right sorry with him and

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that he now acts like somehow you were

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kind of parasitic life-form because you

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didn't fund this book for him so this

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tight Jew thing has been said to me

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right from that point in time and the

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the fact that you fell awkward and

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didn't quite know where to place

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yourself with Larry anymore because of

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his revelation of being a Hells Angel

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you know which I already thought was you

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know well-known fact because that's one

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of the things that it said right from

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the R so we were down there we were like

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all over the place there was lots of

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people Nick Redfern was there Matt

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William and we did spend a lot of time

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in the pub you know and but we weren't

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we've gone down there we weren't

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speakers we Sarah and I had gone down

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there for a holiday basically you know

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like three four days away but because

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you kind of were avoiding worry because

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you were so annoyed and you know

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obviously shocked by his revelation the

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way that he actually told you with his

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I'm telling you now yeah so he used your

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avoidance as proof that you were rude

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and that you kind of like to stayed away

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from us and there was no like look he's

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not buying your drink he'll never buy

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you a drink

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he's never bought me a drink in all the

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blardy blar years that I've known it Wow

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I've paid for everything

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and you know at that time I didn't know

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anything about anything but when I look

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back now I think well why would you be

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paying for anything some guys come up to

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you at a conference and gone hi I really

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like you and I'd like you to write a

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book for me even though you're not a

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writer I'm gonna choose you because

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there's summat about you something about

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a kid and you know you've got all this

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you know and I just look back I think oh

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my god he's zeroed in on you because if

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you're my style he goes on about your

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early days in New York and it was all so

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hip and all the rest of it and he

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actually even said in this video that he

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saw you at this conference in 87 even

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though you'd met before in 84 he said

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that you fought your way up into this

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panel debate about your sister let me

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stop you right there for a moment the

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panel raider was dr. David Jacobs a

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well-known presence in UFO abduction

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work and by then a friend of mine and a

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colleague who I knew for years through

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Budd Hopkins a better note abduction

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researcher whose assistant I was for

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many years by that point when I learned

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there was going to be a panel discussion

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on abduction as an investigator working

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with Hopkins but more important as

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somebody representing the unique aspect

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of being of growing up with an abductee

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in the family I spoke to Dave and I

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asked him if he felt I'd be appropriate

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on the panel and he said absolutely get

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a chair and come on up and I did the the

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wording and the fact that I'm it was it

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incredibly rude or you just knew that

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you had to talk I'm not paneled about it

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so you kind of like you know everybody

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that knows me knows

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and again the word that you used because

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I'm a tight Jew and I was it rude

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I don't know but anybody that knows me

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knows of course that I'm very pushy and

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very rude I it's just breathtaking but

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there you go he says right I didn't know

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if he was a writer he puts out that he

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was a user I oh I didn't know the guy

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was and this is when he's talking about

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87 but he did because he just said a

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little bit before that he'd met you in

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84 so he says but I'm thinking there's

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something about this guy it's one of

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them things I can't tell you any more

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about it just happened you know so he

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says it didn't know you were but he did

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because he'd already mentioned you and

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you know and he said he was going

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through a divorce or a separation or

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whatever and so if the book had to be

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and but what he said was that the book

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had been in process for a year because

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he goes [\h__\h] building process really

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yeah I had a title the first thing I did

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was saw a title yes when he came to me

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he had idols to things first as far as

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him covering the expenses one of the

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absolute agreements of writing this book

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with him was that I would work with him

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on this project a book about his

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experience and that he would cover

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expenses it didn't work out quite that

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way though he covered most of the

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expenses I write about it very clearly

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in left at Eastgate

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and anybody that has read the book knows

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that I'm on record as saying I became as

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obsessed as I thought he was I went

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through all the money in my bank account

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I

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[Music]

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took my retirement fund what we call an

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IRA in the States and vaporized it I

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then started to sell things that I owned

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I borrowed money and ended up living

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with my sister in order to save money to

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finish the book so no he didn't he

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didn't fund the book he funded most of

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the writing of the book these things

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don't really matter to him but the

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details as far as the accuracy goes do

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matter to me that people know exactly

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the truth and not his version of it and

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of course you were expecting this

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project to last between a one and two

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years and not drag on for ten years and

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then be however many years it was until

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it was published I'm not quite sure of

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all the dates on that the book the book

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literally took nine years to produce

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part of the reason for that was Larry as

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the senior partner so to say in terms of

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his name or going above mine that was

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originally not going to be the way it

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was but he made that a condition later

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on he insisted that our literary agent

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keep presenting it to publishers even

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though we only had three chapters in an

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outline to show I told him repeatedly

443
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that we needed to really develop this we

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were promising so much on such an

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outrageous topic that no matter how good

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three basic chapters were we didn't have

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a chance unless we really had most of

448
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the manuscript or a considerable amount

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done the result of that was even though

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our literary agent who was the best and

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who I secured for us

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he kept submitting it to the best

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publishers in America and I have very

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thoughtful very encouraging rejection

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letters from each one of them at a

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certain point two years in Perry felt

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number one that Larry should do this

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book on his own he was just getting very

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frustrated with the rejections he was

460
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getting

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and if I wanted to keep doing it that's

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the way he wanted to do it Larry who

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couldn't write the book on his own made

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it sound very magnanimous that he wanted

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me to continue doing it but he really

466
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had no choice and so we ended up with

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his decision we had two choices one was

468
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the agent that we ended up with a nice

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enough guy who was not a great agent or

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an agent who represented both Timothy

471
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good and Nick Pope and England as our

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agent and Larry chose the former we got

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a very mediocre book deal and our

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publishing history in this country was

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you know like a lot of UFO books that

476
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didn't do great in England where we

477
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ended up with a publisher a small press

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in London but one that really believed

479
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in us we ended up having a smash top ten

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just need to drink myself actually all

481
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very crazy stuff so I think we should go

482
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back to some of the stuff that he's been

483
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saying on the on this video because yeah

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I have heard some fibs in my time but

485
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these are being completely special yeah

486
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as we just discussed the whole jew thing

487
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that's how it kind of starts off but

488
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it's obviously a lot more brutal than

489
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that and we were going to it again but

490
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we have actually had several people say

491
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that they have heard him use those terms

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often and in front of groups of people

493
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but he says that he's appalled at what

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you've done in him Peter how could you

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do this how could you read my stuff how

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could you believe me you are under the

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power of dark forces hmm I know I know

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it's awful isn't it

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the assumption that Larry and Gary would

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like people to make is that after more

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than a quarter of a century of absolute

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dedication to taking his account

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seriously to putting my all into

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defending it into promoting it and let's

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look at my back history here I'm not a

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very practical person I've been running

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primarily by my idealism I am somebody

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who came of age in the 60s

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I put living a life of principle and I'd

510
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like to think of value to others as well

511
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as to myself before what common sense

512
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should have directed me more toward

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which was making a good living you know

514
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saving money and you know having a solid

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material base for the life that I'm

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living I chose after this life-changing

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event of this return memory from

518
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childhood of the overwhelmingly real UFO

519
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sighting that my sister Helen and I had

520
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had as kids my career as a aspiring

521
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artist in New York City kind of jumped

522
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the tracks and I became obsessed with

523
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what happened to Helen and what was the

524
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story about this whole UFO subject why

525
00:26:01,139 --> 00:25:57,559
was it being covered up became an

526
00:26:05,739 --> 00:26:01,149
activist and again in an extraordinarily

527
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impractical move decided to become the

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assistant to somebody who had become a

529
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good friend a fellow artist who had

530
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broken very big in UFO studies with the

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publication of his first book in 1981 a

532
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book called missing time followed in 87

533
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by the international bestseller

534
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intruders to work with Budd Hopkins and

535
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over the 35 years of our friendship

536
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about half of that time I worked for him

537
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on and off

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often hung at no payment for a year or

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so I guess

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late eighties early 90s after he had

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founded his nonprofit organization the

542
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:54,679
intruders foundation with mandates to

543
00:26:58,930 --> 00:26:56,330
help educate people about the

544
00:27:03,789 --> 00:26:58,940
seriousness and reality of the abduction

545
00:27:07,330 --> 00:27:03,799
phenomena and to be there for outreach

546
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:07,340
for abductees he created the very first

547
00:27:13,330 --> 00:27:10,369
that I'm aware of abductees support

548
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:13,340
group that branched into a number of

549
00:27:18,190 --> 00:27:15,529
groups until they were so large and

550
00:27:21,789 --> 00:27:18,200
unmanageable and overwhelming that he

551
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:21,799
had to return to the literature and to

552
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:25,369
writing however by then thank goodness a

553
00:27:29,830 --> 00:27:26,330
number of mental health professionals

554
00:27:31,979 --> 00:27:29,840
and good people with the skills were

555
00:27:38,379 --> 00:27:31,989
starting to do these groups on their own

556
00:27:40,539 --> 00:27:38,389
my point here is that a year or so into

557
00:27:42,190 --> 00:27:40,549
having established the foundation which

558
00:27:45,009 --> 00:27:42,200
technically I was working for as a

559
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:45,019
volunteer we received a contribution

560
00:27:50,019 --> 00:27:48,049
from a gentleman in Europe of several

561
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:50,029
thousand dollars to continue doing the

562
00:27:56,109 --> 00:27:52,970
work and but earmarked that some of that

563
00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:56,119
money should go to me and so after years

564
00:28:02,710 --> 00:27:59,090
of working from as a volunteer I started

565
00:28:04,269 --> 00:28:02,720
to work for him for $8 an hour about the

566
00:28:07,570 --> 00:28:04,279
same amount that I would have gotten

567
00:28:11,259 --> 00:28:07,580
paid had I worked as a cashier at

568
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:11,269
McDonald's at the time after some months

569
00:28:17,580 --> 00:28:14,570
my salary in the interest of full

570
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:17,590
disclosure shot up to $10 an hour and

571
00:28:22,029 --> 00:28:19,850
some months later we ran out of money

572
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:22,039
and for the rest of my life I continued

573
00:28:28,299 --> 00:28:26,090
to work for him for no money I'm again

574
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:28,309
not that most practical person but if I

575
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:29,570
believe in something I will dedicate

576
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:34,159
myself to it left at Eastgate was hardly

577
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:35,690
going to be an opportunity to become

578
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:37,850
rich and the longer I worked on it the

579
00:28:42,489 --> 00:28:41,330
more I realized that I'm if I was in the

580
00:28:49,119 --> 00:28:42,499
Peace Corps I'd be doing better

581
00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:49,129
financially but Larry and Gary seem to

582
00:28:52,810 --> 00:28:49,910
want us to under

583
00:28:55,630 --> 00:28:52,820
Stan that at a certain point all my

584
00:28:59,380 --> 00:28:55,640
idealism and my belief in him was

585
00:29:01,930 --> 00:28:59,390
completely derailed because I fell under

586
00:29:05,970 --> 00:29:01,940
the influence of people that they refer

587
00:29:09,250 --> 00:29:05,980
to by the term trolls who somehow

588
00:29:13,540 --> 00:29:09,260
convinced me by I guess sheer willpower

589
00:29:15,610 --> 00:29:13,550
that I had been incorrect and that I

590
00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:15,620
shouldn't be supporting you know my

591
00:29:22,270 --> 00:29:18,340
former brother and friend anymore as

592
00:29:27,820 --> 00:29:22,280
opposed to that I finally started to

593
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:27,830
read the investigations that independent

594
00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:31,010
investigators all amateurs like I was

595
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:33,230
when I started we're putting together

596
00:29:38,380 --> 00:29:36,050
and imploring me to read and that I was

597
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:38,390
increasingly digging my heels in as you

598
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:40,790
know better than anybody and saying I

599
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:43,970
you know I said parallel quote Stanton

600
00:29:47,470 --> 00:29:45,890
Freight of Friedman my mind don't bother

601
00:29:50,170 --> 00:29:47,480
me with the facts my mind's already made

602
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:50,180
up and how dare you you know all I knew

603
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:53,330
about you is you some woman I met from

604
00:29:59,910 --> 00:29:56,570
Liverpool once who you know Larry said

605
00:30:03,310 --> 00:29:59,920
was crazy and on meds for some kind of

606
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:03,320
psychological condition and that you

607
00:30:06,220 --> 00:30:04,880
wanted to sleep with him and that you

608
00:30:09,580 --> 00:30:06,230
couldn't believe anything that you said

609
00:30:12,790 --> 00:30:09,590
and I know I didn't need this I didn't

610
00:30:15,250 --> 00:30:12,800
want it and so I did my best to ignore

611
00:30:18,190 --> 00:30:15,260
you and ignore the other people but then

612
00:30:21,490 --> 00:30:18,200
people who were my friends people who

613
00:30:24,130 --> 00:30:21,500
all began with tremendous admiration for

614
00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:24,140
Larry Warren and myself who were genuine

615
00:30:29,550 --> 00:30:26,840
fans of the book but finding

616
00:30:33,310 --> 00:30:29,560
discrepancies and doing their own

617
00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:33,320
research projects and asking me to read

618
00:30:40,930 --> 00:30:36,380
them one of the most poignant for me was

619
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:40,940
a guy in Norfolk who Larry and I met in

620
00:30:49,690 --> 00:30:46,610
2010 a reader of ours and an all-around

621
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:49,700
good guy named Ronnie Dugdale well

622
00:30:56,130 --> 00:30:51,650
Ronnie and I hit it off and became good

623
00:30:59,680 --> 00:30:56,140
friends and we started to correspond and

624
00:31:03,370 --> 00:30:59,690
some years later at the point where he

625
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:03,380
was literally begging me to

626
00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:06,250
what he had written and uncovered and

627
00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:09,080
Larry Singh can't trust him I didn't

628
00:31:13,060 --> 00:31:10,190
trust him you know I've got these

629
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:13,070
intuitions about people I know that you

630
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:16,310
know he's not telling the truth I'm it

631
00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:19,130
was one of the lowest moments as far as

632
00:31:24,910 --> 00:31:21,590
me perceiving myself and seeing myself

633
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:24,920
as somebody not worthy of my own respect

634
00:31:30,850 --> 00:31:28,730
at that point and basically saying I'm

635
00:31:34,210 --> 00:31:30,860
you know I'm not going to be friends

636
00:31:37,620 --> 00:31:34,220
with you anymore which I think really

637
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:37,630
hurt Ronnie and was obviously insulting

638
00:31:42,820 --> 00:31:40,970
and I just went on with my life and felt

639
00:31:45,310 --> 00:31:42,830
really guilty about it but oh well what

640
00:31:48,670 --> 00:31:45,320
the hell and then some months later

641
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:48,680
after I started reading what you and

642
00:31:54,330 --> 00:31:51,770
other people were sending me I read what

643
00:31:59,950 --> 00:31:54,340
Ronnie had written and I was horrified

644
00:32:04,720 --> 00:31:59,960
not at him at myself that I had wronged

645
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:04,730
somebody who not only was a good man and

646
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:07,730
an honest person but who had done a

647
00:32:14,590 --> 00:32:09,610
brilliant piece of investigation

648
00:32:17,950 --> 00:32:14,600
examples were that readers have left

649
00:32:21,670 --> 00:32:17,960
Eddie's gate may remember that Warren

650
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:21,680
starts the day of the event that he was

651
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:23,570
involved in that night so called third

652
00:32:29,650 --> 00:32:27,050
nights of N by heading into Ipswich he

653
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:29,660
had an electric guitar or a bass I don't

654
00:32:33,550 --> 00:32:32,240
remember but he wanted to get a new amp

655
00:32:37,180 --> 00:32:33,560
for it they checked him out

656
00:32:40,450 --> 00:32:37,190
and went to a music store called ash

657
00:32:42,940 --> 00:32:40,460
music and then you know ended up back on

658
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:42,950
bass blah blah blah what Ronnie

659
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:45,890
established was going through town

660
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:50,720
records and that there was no store

661
00:32:59,680 --> 00:32:55,010
called ash music at that time and never

662
00:33:04,090 --> 00:32:59,690
was in the city of Ipswich and that the

663
00:33:05,860 --> 00:33:04,100
event was on a Sunday I've been going to

664
00:33:08,650 --> 00:33:05,870
Great Britain not since I started

665
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:08,660
working with Larry it predates my left

666
00:33:14,530 --> 00:33:12,050
that he's gate experienced by a dozen

667
00:33:16,330 --> 00:33:14,540
years my sister Ann did her junior year

668
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:16,340
abroad at the University of

669
00:33:24,580 --> 00:33:18,470
Basheer and i spent a good part of the

670
00:33:26,049 --> 00:33:24,590
summer of 76 and about a week good part

671
00:33:29,260 --> 00:33:26,059
of the summer in Scotland and about a

672
00:33:32,529 --> 00:33:29,270
week in England and I remember Sunday

673
00:33:34,930 --> 00:33:32,539
closing this is something that younger

674
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:34,940
Britons you know may know as history

675
00:33:42,580 --> 00:33:37,360
Americans aren't aware of but on Sundays

676
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:42,590
stores closed and so we have a double

677
00:33:48,789 --> 00:33:45,529
lie that I had simply accepted in my

678
00:33:50,110 --> 00:33:48,799
initial research of sure okay you went

679
00:33:53,409 --> 00:33:50,120
to this music store it was named this

680
00:33:57,310 --> 00:33:53,419
and I really hadn't put together the

681
00:33:59,950 --> 00:33:57,320
sunday closing thing at the time Ronnie

682
00:34:03,970 --> 00:33:59,960
is a bigger guy than I am and I mean

683
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:03,980
that very seriously in terms of heart

684
00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:06,710
and character and I am very thankful

685
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:10,700
that when I contacted him about a year

686
00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:13,490
after I had dumped him as a friend he's

687
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,889
a big enough guy to accept me back as a

688
00:34:20,109 --> 00:34:18,320
friend and understand what had happened

689
00:34:23,470 --> 00:34:20,119
and I looked back at the correspondence

690
00:34:26,619 --> 00:34:23,480
we had had before then I don't know 100

691
00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:26,629
200 pages I mean we were very regular

692
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:28,159
correspondence with each other we wrote

693
00:34:35,230 --> 00:34:31,250
regularly I confided to him a lot of

694
00:34:38,619 --> 00:34:35,240
stuff concerns I had about Larry but

695
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:38,629
more about you know if I have one major

696
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:41,119
regret and one thing that really irks me

697
00:34:47,139 --> 00:34:42,649
about my history with Warren

698
00:34:52,419 --> 00:34:47,149
it's the countless hours that I spent

699
00:34:55,899 --> 00:34:52,429
worrying about his State of Mind his

700
00:34:58,839 --> 00:34:55,909
state of physical health that he was

701
00:35:02,140 --> 00:34:58,849
going to get himself hurt his drinking

702
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:02,150
it was it really consumed me at times

703
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:05,050
and for him too

704
00:35:12,130 --> 00:35:08,650
you know I I listened to the recording

705
00:35:14,140 --> 00:35:12,140
that you're referring to and there were

706
00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:14,150
points where I did find myself gasping

707
00:35:20,050 --> 00:35:17,089
with the outrageous lies and they're

708
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:20,060
often just a simple lie woven into a

709
00:35:24,339 --> 00:35:21,650
thread of something that actually

710
00:35:27,790 --> 00:35:24,349
happened but you know there's no hiccup

711
00:35:30,339 --> 00:35:27,800
there's no break if you don't know the

712
00:35:32,799 --> 00:35:30,349
truth you have no way to serve it

713
00:35:36,999 --> 00:35:32,809
and he's good but I found myself

714
00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:37,009
thinking you know it is he actually

715
00:35:44,890 --> 00:35:40,670
thinking that this approach is going to

716
00:35:48,420 --> 00:35:44,900
get under my skin or get me you know all

717
00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:48,430
irate for me it's kind of pathetic and

718
00:35:56,229 --> 00:35:54,200
Gary who is somebody who I considered an

719
00:35:58,690 --> 00:35:56,239
esteemed colleague a good friend

720
00:36:01,299 --> 00:35:58,700
somebody who I was proud to be

721
00:36:04,329 --> 00:36:01,309
associated with somebody who confided to

722
00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:04,339
me while he was still serving as law

723
00:36:09,130 --> 00:36:06,440
enforcement officer in the UK that he

724
00:36:12,460 --> 00:36:09,140
had a dream when he retired of creating

725
00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:12,470
a publication based on the publication

726
00:36:20,019 --> 00:36:18,229
that for me is still the finest magazine

727
00:36:23,789 --> 00:36:20,029
in the history of the English language

728
00:36:27,460 --> 00:36:23,799
lai publications it's not you know a

729
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:27,470
scholarly publication and it ran for

730
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,249
years which is of course UFO magazine as

731
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:33,920
published by the late great grand

732
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:35,839
Birdsall that that was his hero and he

733
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:37,729
knew that I had been good friends with

734
00:36:43,989 --> 00:36:41,089
gram and life and asked me if I would be

735
00:36:46,089 --> 00:36:43,999
his American correspondent and so I

736
00:36:47,650 --> 00:36:46,099
signed on and I did that for a year

737
00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:47,660
because I wanted to support him in his

738
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:51,680
work when he told me he wanted to have

739
00:36:57,249 --> 00:36:55,249
his first UFO truth conference I was

740
00:36:59,920 --> 00:36:57,259
honored to accept the invitation to be a

741
00:37:02,410 --> 00:36:59,930
speaker at that conference at that

742
00:37:04,989 --> 00:37:02,420
conference he asked me if I could help

743
00:37:06,819 --> 00:37:04,999
him secure the American speaker that he

744
00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:06,829
wanted for the following year somebody

745
00:37:10,989 --> 00:37:09,140
who he had never met but admired that

746
00:37:11,529 --> 00:37:10,999
being Stanton Friedman and I made that

747
00:37:13,749 --> 00:37:11,539
happen

748
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:13,759
although Stan was less than pleased with

749
00:37:20,259 --> 00:37:18,049
the way that it worked out and when Gary

750
00:37:24,849 --> 00:37:20,269
started to drink the Larry Warren

751
00:37:29,769 --> 00:37:24,859
kool-aid it broke my heart it made me

752
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:29,779
really angry at myself for doing such a

753
00:37:37,269 --> 00:37:33,729
good job in the work that I had done

754
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,279
that Gary was one of thousands of people

755
00:37:42,759 --> 00:37:39,920
who believed it but has made a career of

756
00:37:43,450 --> 00:37:42,769
it he's my little Frankenstein he has

757
00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:43,460
taken over

758
00:37:47,770 --> 00:37:44,180
he is the new

759
00:37:53,620 --> 00:37:47,780
Peter Robbins and the poignancy of

760
00:37:55,390 --> 00:37:53,630
beginning that little discussion that

761
00:37:57,599 --> 00:37:55,400
you've made available to people that you

762
00:38:01,230 --> 00:37:57,609
know is out there between Gary and Larry

763
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:01,240
yet once again not only begins with a

764
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:06,890
photo of me and a a quoted line a meme

765
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:10,160
of me yet once again supporting Larry

766
00:38:15,819 --> 00:38:12,290
Warren and talking about you know I

767
00:38:18,329 --> 00:38:15,829
forget what it is but the admiration

768
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:18,339
that he's worthy of etc yes of course

769
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:21,680
what Gary wants you to not know or

770
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:26,240
forget or discount is that and a

771
00:38:30,970 --> 00:38:29,089
thousand other lines supporting Larry

772
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:30,980
Warren or talking about him in

773
00:38:38,109 --> 00:38:34,250
conferences in a laudatory way or on the

774
00:38:44,430 --> 00:38:38,119
radio or you know on screen in one way

775
00:38:47,710 --> 00:38:44,440
or another were written or said before I

776
00:38:51,039 --> 00:38:47,720
conducted my investigation based on your

777
00:38:54,339 --> 00:38:51,049
collective investigations so why he

778
00:38:57,789 --> 00:38:54,349
keeps doing that is only to deceive and

779
00:39:00,670 --> 00:38:57,799
only to undermine and I now know of

780
00:39:05,549 --> 00:39:00,680
course that a week or so before

781
00:39:10,359 --> 00:39:05,559
Christmas last he sent out a email

782
00:39:12,309 --> 00:39:10,369
taking me down that was sent to many

783
00:39:17,289 --> 00:39:12,319
colleagues of mine I don't know who all

784
00:39:19,750 --> 00:39:17,299
of them were to undermine me with all of

785
00:39:22,839 --> 00:39:19,760
these doubts and again he can spend the

786
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:22,849
rest of his life posting things that I

787
00:39:27,730 --> 00:39:24,650
said about Larry Warren that were

788
00:39:31,720 --> 00:39:27,740
positive completely ignoring the fact

789
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:31,730
that they're completely countered by

790
00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:35,290
everything I've written and said since

791
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:40,390
which you actually have on your website

792
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:46,569
your letter to Larry that you wrote know

793
00:40:00,940 --> 00:39:57,579
well the that the letter is not posted

794
00:40:04,390 --> 00:40:00,950
anywhere the most recent statement was

795
00:40:09,130 --> 00:40:04,400
written in October and early November

796
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:09,140
past and ironically that was important

797
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:14,210
enough to me to respond to the really

798
00:40:21,309 --> 00:40:19,040
ugly anti-semitic tack against me which

799
00:40:24,099 --> 00:40:21,319
in its own way traces back to things

800
00:40:26,170 --> 00:40:24,109
that Larry and only Larry has ever said

801
00:40:28,780 --> 00:40:26,180
about me although it involved a

802
00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:28,790
different individual that was actually

803
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:33,200
posted all over the Internet on November

804
00:40:39,970 --> 00:40:37,490
9th just past which was less than a day

805
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:39,980
before my father who I was taking care

806
00:40:46,660 --> 00:40:44,210
of passed away that you are making

807
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:46,670
available to people right now and I hope

808
00:40:52,839 --> 00:40:48,650
that you will EE get it out there

809
00:40:56,349 --> 00:40:52,849
however everybody listening especially

810
00:40:59,950 --> 00:40:56,359
if you are reading what Gary is writing

811
00:41:03,250 --> 00:40:59,960
or what Larry and Gary are saying goes

812
00:41:07,630 --> 00:41:03,260
it to yourself to go to my website which

813
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:07,640
is Peter Robbins and like calm and read

814
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:11,839
the post that I made after assimilating

815
00:41:18,220 --> 00:41:15,230
and digesting all of the material that

816
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:18,230
completely turned me around and made me

817
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:19,490
realize what a fool I have been

818
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:23,210
regarding my former co-author it's right

819
00:41:27,309 --> 00:41:24,890
there where it's been for the past year

820
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:27,319
and a half front and center on the

821
00:41:35,650 --> 00:41:31,520
website the questions that I asked Larry

822
00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:35,660
Warren directly he has evaded every one

823
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,020
of them as any reader can see I began

824
00:41:44,859 --> 00:41:42,319
writing that still holding on to the

825
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:44,869
fact that I cared about this guy as a

826
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:48,410
friend that I was concerned about him

827
00:41:57,130 --> 00:41:53,119
that he had gotten himself into a really

828
00:41:59,020 --> 00:41:57,140
awkward corner by not only lying about

829
00:42:02,859 --> 00:41:59,030
certain things but then by attacking

830
00:42:05,410 --> 00:42:02,869
people who called him on his lies and a

831
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:05,420
number of them women and in the most

832
00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:07,760
hideous and ugly and destructive ways

833
00:42:13,250 --> 00:42:10,950
which completely disgusted me and

834
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:13,260
after three months of imploring him to

835
00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:16,400
answer the simple questions I was asking

836
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:21,480
he just completely refused Gary who when

837
00:42:26,180 --> 00:42:23,970
we were corresponding I asked the same

838
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:26,190
thing to answer any one of these

839
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:26,940
questions

840
00:42:32,150 --> 00:42:28,680
another close associate of theirs as

841
00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:32,160
well and they liked Warren completely

842
00:42:38,270 --> 00:42:35,700
went silent so I'm asking you the

843
00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:38,280
listener to this show to read what I've

844
00:42:43,819 --> 00:42:40,980
written and the next time that Larry or

845
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:43,829
Gary are on the air posed any of those

846
00:42:52,609 --> 00:42:48,960
questions to them yourself and see how

847
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:52,619
they respond to you their standard

848
00:43:00,380 --> 00:42:57,119
response is to block and delete you and

849
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:00,390
questions as well he's actually avoid

850
00:43:09,950 --> 00:43:03,450
him many questions that we've all been

851
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,960
asking and you know the this the pile of

852
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:11,760
questions that they're using to prove

853
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:16,970
his innocence he's getting smaller and

854
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:20,310
obviously in this video they spent over

855
00:43:26,809 --> 00:43:23,310
30 minutes which it's only an hour and

856
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:26,819
26 minutes 35 minutes at least we're

857
00:43:32,180 --> 00:43:30,089
talking about how he knew Helen which is

858
00:43:33,290 --> 00:43:32,190
this is the question how did you know

859
00:43:36,859 --> 00:43:33,300
Helen wheels

860
00:43:39,950 --> 00:43:36,869
she's Peter Robbins sister boom

861
00:43:42,109 --> 00:43:39,960
right okay so great big spiel about all

862
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:42,119
of that but there's a lot of questions

863
00:43:47,720 --> 00:43:45,210
that I've asked and on my blog at the

864
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:47,730
moment I've got one called question time

865
00:43:56,210 --> 00:43:53,280
for Gary Heseltine you know there's lots

866
00:43:58,430 --> 00:43:56,220
of things they kind of skirts around the

867
00:44:00,410 --> 00:43:58,440
brought the 8fo talk for a little bit

868
00:44:04,550 --> 00:44:00,420
but that was actually proven to be a

869
00:44:09,050 --> 00:44:04,560
fake and I was accused by Larry Warren

870
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:09,060
of faking this picture and taking his

871
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:11,160
shame on you they'd left on Dave's

872
00:44:16,099 --> 00:44:13,650
laptop and messing around with them

873
00:44:18,370 --> 00:44:16,109
getting in his time machine that he left

874
00:44:20,770 --> 00:44:18,380
here going back in time

875
00:44:22,570 --> 00:44:20,780
and it's actually space-time machine

876
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,580
because it delivered me in a different

877
00:44:26,860 --> 00:44:25,040
area and I was kind of like snuck into

878
00:44:29,050 --> 00:44:26,870
Larry's house in this time machine when

879
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:29,060
he was asleep and uploaded all these

880
00:44:34,930 --> 00:44:31,250
photographs onto his Facebook account

881
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:34,940
and somehow with his military records

882
00:44:41,140 --> 00:44:38,210
managed to change every single upload of

883
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:41,150
it and the entire internet when he said

884
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:42,650
that yes they have been tampered with

885
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:44,570
but the neither been tampered with by me

886
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:45,230
are you

887
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:48,560
so the a10 photograph they say he said

888
00:44:54,220 --> 00:44:51,290
we have definitive proof that sv has

889
00:44:57,430 --> 00:44:54,230
manipulated this image while showing

890
00:45:00,280 --> 00:44:57,440
this reflection of M Larry Warren

891
00:45:03,130 --> 00:45:00,290
basically and aunt French who's

892
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:03,140
supposedly doing this great analysis is

893
00:45:08,530 --> 00:45:05,990
saying so well he was right actually he

894
00:45:10,150 --> 00:45:08,540
said so we're looking for a guy with

895
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:10,160
sharp gray hair pointing those glasses

896
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:13,610
with a chain on his left wrist or right

897
00:45:24,460 --> 00:45:22,400
wrist whichever and then you know he's

898
00:45:32,140 --> 00:45:24,470
gone yeah thanks hound we knew it was

899
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:32,150
her and then they all go right like that

900
00:45:36,190 --> 00:45:34,490
that it's me who's taking this pill and

901
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:36,200
then they go well maybe it was Nick Pope

902
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:47,930
I was like yeah because we then Ben got

903
00:45:52,540 --> 00:45:50,210
involved and Ben was like oh yes and he

904
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:52,550
drew this most ridiculous sort of

905
00:45:57,370 --> 00:45:54,770
outline of somebody and it looked like

906
00:46:00,340 --> 00:45:57,380
they you know that Kilroy what what no

907
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:00,350
you know it was kind of around in the

908
00:46:06,070 --> 00:46:04,250
70s so you know peeping over a wall just

909
00:46:07,930 --> 00:46:06,080
the nose and the head and the fingers it

910
00:46:11,980 --> 00:46:07,940
was just like that were these fingers on

911
00:46:13,870 --> 00:46:11,990
there so I was like I didn't even eat I

912
00:46:15,850 --> 00:46:13,880
didn't even spot that it was Ben that

913
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:15,860
found it I was looking through the

914
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:18,290
photographs that Barry Greenwood his

915
00:46:22,420 --> 00:46:20,570
file that somebody had sent me and I was

916
00:46:24,580 --> 00:46:22,430
looking through the photographs and I

917
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:24,590
thought I saw this circle on it and I

918
00:46:29,290 --> 00:46:27,050
thought it was one of these aging

919
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:29,300
technique things that he does he what

920
00:46:32,260 --> 00:46:31,610
stuff all over things and you know like

921
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:32,270
you learn when you

922
00:46:36,460 --> 00:46:34,130
like in primary school with the old tea

923
00:46:37,870 --> 00:46:36,470
bags and stuff like that so there was

924
00:46:39,730 --> 00:46:37,880
like it looks to me I saw it was a

925
00:46:41,410 --> 00:46:39,740
coffee cup ring but I was looking at

926
00:46:44,470 --> 00:46:41,420
these other two images at the bottom

927
00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:44,480
which were kind of zoomed in on the

928
00:46:49,390 --> 00:46:46,670
computer and photographs of a computer

929
00:46:51,670 --> 00:46:49,400
screen with the reflection of Larry and

930
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,680
the paintings of his on the wall in the

931
00:46:57,490 --> 00:46:53,920
background I was more interested in that

932
00:46:59,680 --> 00:46:57,500
and it was Ben who found this reflection

933
00:47:01,780 --> 00:46:59,690
in this other photograph that I don't

934
00:47:03,940 --> 00:47:01,790
loaded and how didn't even realize

935
00:47:05,590 --> 00:47:03,950
because I've not looked at that that for

936
00:47:07,420 --> 00:47:05,600
me is first class research

937
00:47:10,090 --> 00:47:07,430
I mean sometimes we just stumble on

938
00:47:12,580 --> 00:47:10,100
these days but that's rageous I mean

939
00:47:17,890 --> 00:47:12,590
that is absolutely is incriminating it

940
00:47:21,070 --> 00:47:17,900
could be he said it's real the one in

941
00:47:23,590 --> 00:47:21,080
Barry Greenwood smiles was color and the

942
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:23,600
one that he was brandishing around was

943
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:27,650
black and white and hang on it's not

944
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:29,050
color it's supposed to be color and

945
00:47:35,860 --> 00:47:31,490
besides that photograph was taken in

946
00:47:37,690 --> 00:47:35,870
1985 on his honeymoon with Barry Green

947
00:47:40,420 --> 00:47:37,700
was just an old man and what does he

948
00:47:46,690 --> 00:47:40,430
know he can't remember anything you know

949
00:47:48,550 --> 00:47:46,700
so yeah and so obviously time machines

950
00:47:53,170 --> 00:47:48,560
involved a lot and then Garry put out

951
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:53,180
this this Facebook post when it became

952
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,010
apparent because he said oh yes this is

953
00:47:58,810 --> 00:47:56,720
the real photograph and obviously it

954
00:48:01,210 --> 00:47:58,820
wasn't because by then Gary had spoken

955
00:48:03,940 --> 00:48:01,220
to Barry Greenwood and looked at all the

956
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:03,950
photographs and they were all color so

957
00:48:09,340 --> 00:48:05,450
whatever had gone there

958
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:09,350
oh man I don't know but Gary you know he

959
00:48:15,700 --> 00:48:11,930
put out this status of have you ever

960
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:15,710
told a lie we've all told lies but he's

961
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:18,770
not what the light it's why the lie and

962
00:48:23,860 --> 00:48:21,440
I'm like yes absolutely it is that but

963
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:23,870
you're saying that he's told this verb

964
00:48:30,099 --> 00:48:27,410
because oh somebody was picking on

965
00:48:32,259 --> 00:48:30,109
and because you just wanted to prove

966
00:48:34,779 --> 00:48:32,269
that he wasn't lying you know or

967
00:48:36,549 --> 00:48:34,789
whatever whinging victim crap that you

968
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:36,559
will have come out with because that's

969
00:48:41,230 --> 00:48:39,049
his default position you know everyone's

970
00:48:45,309 --> 00:48:41,240
a liar and just picking on him just

971
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:45,319
because exactly you know so I thought

972
00:48:49,720 --> 00:48:48,049
all that was just absolutely wild that

973
00:48:51,309 --> 00:48:49,730
they all just kind of like went along

974
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:51,319
with it and then it's like oh well never

975
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:51,650
mind

976
00:48:57,099 --> 00:48:53,569
so they don't really go into that in any

977
00:48:59,940 --> 00:48:57,109
depth in he doesn't even mention things

978
00:49:01,410 --> 00:48:59,950
like Metallica or John Lennon photo

979
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:01,420
[Music]

980
00:49:11,289 --> 00:49:04,640
they're just pretending that Dwayne

981
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:11,299
doesn't exist you're referring to people

982
00:49:19,930 --> 00:49:13,970
that some of your audience may not be

983
00:49:22,089 --> 00:49:19,940
aware of Dwayne was he's an American he

984
00:49:25,539 --> 00:49:22,099
was a friend of Larry's who lived in the

985
00:49:27,490 --> 00:49:25,549
same town that Larry did in Vermont as

986
00:49:29,529 --> 00:49:27,500
part of the early years the early 90s

987
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:29,539
when Larry and I were working on left

988
00:49:36,430 --> 00:49:33,230
that he skate who has offered

989
00:49:39,849 --> 00:49:36,440
devastating evidence as far as that

990
00:49:43,809 --> 00:49:39,859
early part of Larry's career as a forger

991
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:43,819
and as somebody that was creating fake

992
00:49:50,349 --> 00:49:47,839
memorabilia and fake provenance pathetic

993
00:49:56,650 --> 00:49:50,359
as it was to start with to back it up

994
00:50:00,940 --> 00:49:56,660
and it brings me into something I want

995
00:50:02,799 --> 00:50:00,950
to be on record about here my sister's

996
00:50:06,999 --> 00:50:02,809
name has come up several times here

997
00:50:10,140 --> 00:50:07,009
Helen was a brilliant singer songwriter

998
00:50:15,099 --> 00:50:10,150
who earlier was a brilliant poet

999
00:50:17,410 --> 00:50:15,109
extremely creative and who was not just

1000
00:50:20,109 --> 00:50:17,420
my sister but as close a friend as I've

1001
00:50:24,819 --> 00:50:20,119
ever had we were particularly closed for

1002
00:50:28,299 --> 00:50:24,829
siblings and she was as welcoming and

1003
00:50:32,789 --> 00:50:28,309
supportive of Larry as if he were family

1004
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:32,799
the fact that he betrayed that and then

1005
00:50:41,019 --> 00:50:36,319
doubly insulted her after she was dead

1006
00:50:43,419 --> 00:50:41,029
by faking her signature and others on

1007
00:50:46,419 --> 00:50:43,429
memorabilia that would make him maybe a

1008
00:50:48,789 --> 00:50:46,429
couple of hundred pounds is disgusting

1009
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:48,799
and let me be specific here several

1010
00:50:55,209 --> 00:50:51,890
years after Helen died knowing that

1011
00:50:56,829 --> 00:50:55,219
Larry really liked all of memorabilia

1012
00:51:01,449 --> 00:50:56,839
popular culture related

1013
00:51:04,929 --> 00:51:01,459
I gave him among other things two cards

1014
00:51:08,579 --> 00:51:04,939
they were going to the mail like

1015
00:51:12,519 --> 00:51:08,589
slightly enlarged postcards for two

1016
00:51:14,620 --> 00:51:12,529
openings of plays that were being

1017
00:51:16,509 --> 00:51:14,630
performed by a group called the mirror

1018
00:51:19,539 --> 00:51:16,519
repertory company which I was proud to

1019
00:51:26,219 --> 00:51:19,549
be the house manager of in New York City

1020
00:51:29,049 --> 00:51:26,229
and both of them were being held at a

1021
00:51:31,630 --> 00:51:29,059
wonderfully sleazy nightclub that was

1022
00:51:35,769 --> 00:51:31,640
kind of a mini studio 54 back in the day

1023
00:51:38,589 --> 00:51:35,779
it was a an old church building in New

1024
00:51:41,469 --> 00:51:38,599
York that had been deconsecrated so it

1025
00:51:44,649 --> 00:51:41,479
had you know extraordinary interior to

1026
00:51:47,439 --> 00:51:44,659
make into a nightclub and in one of the

1027
00:51:50,229 --> 00:51:47,449
plays helen had a part

1028
00:51:52,499 --> 00:51:50,239
she had a high billing because she was

1029
00:51:55,630 --> 00:51:52,509
well known but it was a small part

1030
00:51:58,359 --> 00:51:55,640
opposite a brilliant actress who is a

1031
00:52:01,120 --> 00:51:58,369
member of our company who many of your

1032
00:52:06,939 --> 00:52:01,130
listeners will know even if they're not

1033
00:52:08,769 --> 00:52:06,949
American as being a legendary role in a

1034
00:52:11,279 --> 00:52:08,779
great American film called guess who's

1035
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:11,289
coming for dinner Katharine Houghton

1036
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:14,569
played the aunjanue opposite Sidney

1037
00:52:23,229 --> 00:52:18,049
Poitier in the Katharine Hepburn Spencer

1038
00:52:25,299 --> 00:52:23,239
Tracy 1966 movie that was historic it

1039
00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:25,309
was one of the last big Hollywood studio

1040
00:52:32,589 --> 00:52:28,609
movies but for what it's worth now it

1041
00:52:36,149 --> 00:52:32,599
was the first major American studio film

1042
00:52:39,729 --> 00:52:36,159
where a white woman kissed a black man

1043
00:52:41,890 --> 00:52:39,739
again some of your listeners will know

1044
00:52:45,089 --> 00:52:41,900
this film it's a beloved film and and

1045
00:52:47,069 --> 00:52:45,099
still a very special film anyway

1046
00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:47,079
Katharine Houghton's

1047
00:52:54,670 --> 00:52:53,150
aunt was Katharine Hepburn who came to

1048
00:52:57,730 --> 00:52:54,680
see the play at one point

1049
00:53:00,820 --> 00:52:57,740
I knew miss Hepburn a little bit at that

1050
00:53:04,810 --> 00:53:00,830
time she was in her 80s she was famous

1051
00:53:06,430 --> 00:53:04,820
for not signing autographs she also did

1052
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:06,440
not go out to nightclubs

1053
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:10,970
she also wasn't quite reclusive but she

1054
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:15,530
did not attend public events anyway I

1055
00:53:22,180 --> 00:53:19,760
gave Larry one announcement card for

1056
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:22,190
each of these two plays one of them the

1057
00:53:26,110 --> 00:53:23,810
time of your life that I just described

1058
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:26,120
with Houghton and with my sister and

1059
00:53:32,740 --> 00:53:29,810
another one and the thing that

1060
00:53:36,970 --> 00:53:32,750
distinguished them from any other cards

1061
00:53:40,210 --> 00:53:36,980
like them was that after my sister had

1062
00:53:42,940 --> 00:53:40,220
passed away among other things I had a

1063
00:53:45,670 --> 00:53:42,950
small rubber stamp made that simply said

1064
00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:45,680
in small letters from the estate of

1065
00:53:49,810 --> 00:53:47,590
Helen wheels

1066
00:53:52,030 --> 00:53:49,820
that was her performing name Helen

1067
00:53:55,300 --> 00:53:52,040
Robbins the pun being hell on wheels

1068
00:53:56,830 --> 00:53:55,310
which she could certainly be no

1069
00:53:59,550 --> 00:53:56,840
association with the famous Paul

1070
00:54:04,060 --> 00:53:59,560
McCartney song as people have asked and

1071
00:54:06,250 --> 00:54:04,070
on certain items paper items that I was

1072
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:06,260
archiving or giving to people that knew

1073
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:08,720
my sister's gifts I would use that

1074
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:12,890
rubber stamp and so I gave one card each

1075
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:15,740
to Larry let me say here that there was

1076
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:19,520
nothing written on them last December it

1077
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:23,090
was called to my attention to click on a

1078
00:54:28,110 --> 00:54:25,610
link to an auction catalog for an

1079
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:28,120
auction house in Yorkshire as I recall

1080
00:54:36,430 --> 00:54:31,490
so it would have been December a year

1081
00:54:38,530 --> 00:54:36,440
ago and I think it was go to page

1082
00:54:42,130 --> 00:54:38,540
such-and-such which was the rock and

1083
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:42,140
roll memorabilia in one case where I got

1084
00:54:49,420 --> 00:54:46,970
very angry I saw that a a small card

1085
00:54:52,420 --> 00:54:49,430
with the signature of the doors from the

1086
00:54:54,490 --> 00:54:52,430
collection of somebody who was not just

1087
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:54,500
a friend of mine but a good friend of

1088
00:54:58,570 --> 00:54:57,290
mine going back over 50 years we were

1089
00:55:02,140 --> 00:54:58,580
roommates when we were in art school

1090
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:02,150
together who Larry met once at a party

1091
00:55:06,460 --> 00:55:03,680
that Helen and I had had probably 30

1092
00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:06,470
years ago but he keeps this stuff in his

1093
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:07,730
mind

1094
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:11,690
and Stan had enough believability as far

1095
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:13,490
as provenance went because he had worked

1096
00:55:17,499 --> 00:55:15,410
with the incredible string band as their

1097
00:55:20,109 --> 00:55:17,509
roadie at first and on their final album

1098
00:55:22,509 --> 00:55:20,119
he was their bass player incredible

1099
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:22,519
string band a band of the late 60s who

1100
00:55:24,700 --> 00:55:24,170
some of your listeners will know others

1101
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:24,710
will not

1102
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:27,710
anyway Sam did not collect autographs

1103
00:55:33,609 --> 00:55:30,650
Stan had not given anything to this

1104
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:33,619
catalogue this auction in Yorkshire and

1105
00:55:39,849 --> 00:55:36,529
yet there he was of course it was Larry

1106
00:55:42,130 --> 00:55:39,859
doing his mischief well I was I was

1107
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:42,140
pissed off at that but that level of

1108
00:55:47,339 --> 00:55:43,970
being pissed off was dwarfed when I saw

1109
00:55:50,130 --> 00:55:47,349
these two cards that I had given Larry

1110
00:55:55,230 --> 00:55:50,140
filled with signatures including

1111
00:55:58,870 --> 00:55:55,240
Katharine Hepburn my sister Andy Warhol

1112
00:56:03,009 --> 00:55:58,880
with a little Campbell Soup drawing this

1113
00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:03,019
oh I don't know 25 years after he was

1114
00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:05,660
famous for that and was no longer doing

1115
00:56:10,539 --> 00:56:08,329
little sketches like that and Andy was

1116
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:10,549
smart enough to know how to spell the

1117
00:56:16,660 --> 00:56:13,970
word Campbell's correctly and my sister

1118
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:16,670
signature was not a very good one and I

1119
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:18,890
thought to myself something I can't say

1120
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:21,049
on the air relative to my former

1121
00:56:28,089 --> 00:56:25,130
co-author but how dare you how dare you

1122
00:56:29,319 --> 00:56:28,099
I don't know whether this was just

1123
00:56:32,410 --> 00:56:29,329
another way for him to score a little

1124
00:56:34,809 --> 00:56:32,420
extra bucks or to try to get you know

1125
00:56:39,519 --> 00:56:34,819
under my skin but as you know better

1126
00:56:42,849 --> 00:56:39,529
than most the big-ticket item in that

1127
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:42,859
particular auction was a drawing a

1128
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:43,369
painting

1129
00:56:50,950 --> 00:56:47,410
I'm sorry done I think in 1967 allegedly

1130
00:56:53,170 --> 00:56:50,960
by the legendary legendary Jimi Hendrix

1131
00:56:55,690 --> 00:56:53,180
now you were very familiar with that

1132
00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:55,700
painting as I recall because somehow

1133
00:57:01,210 --> 00:56:57,710
again through the use of your time

1134
00:57:03,249 --> 00:57:01,220
machine you saw it painted except that

1135
00:57:10,019 --> 00:57:03,259
it wasn't Jimi Hendrix who painted it

1136
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:12,190
correct you on something that you said

1137
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:14,210
about the cards that your sister's a few

1138
00:57:21,210 --> 00:57:16,970
hundred pounds he was estimated between

1139
00:57:28,779 --> 00:57:21,220
two and four thousand pounds oh Christ

1140
00:57:32,670 --> 00:57:28,789
yeah and the Hendrix painting was 15,000

1141
00:57:37,390 --> 00:57:32,680
there was an alleged Jimi Hendrix

1142
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:37,400
costume jewelry ring that was 8000 there

1143
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:41,930
were several John Lennon items I've put

1144
00:57:48,460 --> 00:57:45,410
some of these on my facebook page was

1145
00:57:52,210 --> 00:57:48,470
that the one that had the the John

1146
00:57:55,870 --> 00:57:52,220
Lennon sunglasses that Mae pang that

1147
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:55,880
Larry had faked the provenance in his

1148
00:57:58,569 --> 00:57:57,440
handwriting alleging that it was her

1149
00:58:05,079 --> 00:57:58,579
handwriting whoo that was another

1150
00:58:10,029 --> 00:58:05,089
auction in 2016 when I found his option

1151
00:58:13,930 --> 00:58:10,039
activity between 2011 and 2013 then the

1152
00:58:18,430 --> 00:58:13,940
end of break then it starts up again in

1153
00:58:23,170 --> 00:58:18,440
2014 late on with the you know and then

1154
00:58:26,140 --> 00:58:23,180
sorry 2015 with the Lennon sketch then

1155
00:58:29,109 --> 00:58:26,150
erupted again from there because he says

1156
00:58:31,749 --> 00:58:29,119
in the video that some big hitters got

1157
00:58:33,339 --> 00:58:31,759
his stuff back from this auction that

1158
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:33,349
had robbed him but actually what

1159
00:58:37,180 --> 00:58:35,450
happened was he put Jerry Garcia

1160
00:58:41,499 --> 00:58:37,190
painting in that he'd done himself oh

1161
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,509
yes Green Machine and the Coal Miner's

1162
00:58:46,150 --> 00:58:43,359
Daughter

1163
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,160
he said the auction house had said that

1164
00:58:51,339 --> 00:58:48,799
it was a forgery and I said to him well

1165
00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:51,349
and he said well I didn't know I love

1166
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:55,849
and he'll give me it well I said there's

1167
00:58:59,799 --> 00:58:57,920
a buyer beware

1168
00:59:04,089 --> 00:58:59,809
I've been watching this program on TV

1169
00:59:12,660 --> 00:59:04,099
about fine forgeries and I said that

1170
00:59:18,579 --> 00:59:16,509
developed into these guys have kept it

1171
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:18,589
from him they brought him he was going

1172
00:59:20,170 --> 00:59:19,849
to phone the police he kept going on

1173
00:59:23,799 --> 00:59:20,180
about

1174
00:59:26,589 --> 00:59:23,809
Berlin the police so you know in the end

1175
00:59:28,390 --> 00:59:26,599
I wrote to them and I wrote so there

1176
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:28,400
were a couple of times and that didn't

1177
00:59:33,130 --> 00:59:30,650
happen and then a big hitter that he's

1178
00:59:36,490 --> 00:59:33,140
talking about is am a film producer and

1179
00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:36,500
a director and I you know I was talking

1180
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:40,609
to him and together well I told him all

1181
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:42,319
the stuff that it was blabber by then he

1182
00:59:48,130 --> 00:59:45,410
said he's he's something letter from his

1183
00:59:52,690 --> 00:59:48,140
legal department then all of the stuff

1184
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:52,700
arrived at our house and Dave said well

1185
00:59:57,370 --> 00:59:54,890
it'd be a good idea to film it because

1186
00:59:59,740 --> 00:59:57,380
then if anything is lost stolen or

1187
01:00:01,780 --> 00:59:59,750
damaged you've got a record of you

1188
01:00:06,059 --> 01:00:01,790
opening the box and then they can't say

1189
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:06,069
it wasn't like that when we sent it good

1190
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:09,770
now he's we had a twisted plan all along

1191
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:12,410
but it wasn't just like it was just a

1192
01:00:18,190 --> 01:00:15,890
kind of sensible thing to do so Dave

1193
01:00:19,420 --> 01:00:18,200
video team taking all this stuff out of

1194
01:00:22,930 --> 01:00:19,430
the box

1195
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:22,940
and he's passing around all these

1196
01:00:27,190 --> 01:00:25,010
glasses of John Lennon's that are all

1197
01:00:30,910 --> 01:00:27,200
buttered which have now got lenses in

1198
01:00:32,740 --> 01:00:30,920
and they're being fixed on them and

1199
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:32,750
threw them in the bin and Charlie his

1200
01:00:39,130 --> 01:00:35,210
uncle Charlie Lennon got them out of the

1201
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:39,140
bin and give them to Larry along of

1202
01:00:47,620 --> 01:00:45,890
course John's hat John he said that he

1203
01:00:49,329 --> 01:00:47,630
had the other hat at Sue's why would he

1204
01:00:51,099 --> 01:00:49,339
want to keep that himself I don't know

1205
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:51,109
and why would Charlie want to give them

1206
01:01:03,000 --> 01:00:53,210
away when they were worth so Charlie no

1207
01:01:08,500 --> 01:01:06,190
he died in poverty and he wrote a letter

1208
01:01:12,819 --> 01:01:08,510
to John Lennon asked him for money which

1209
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:12,829
was optioned in 2013 after he died so

1210
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:17,210
that was a genuine one so and no reason

1211
01:01:20,319 --> 01:01:18,319
why I'd want to keep that letter

1212
01:01:22,630 --> 01:01:20,329
material for himself or solitaire of

1213
01:01:26,289 --> 01:01:22,640
himself a man just jump in here for a

1214
01:01:31,870 --> 01:01:26,299
moment at the post throw on these items

1215
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:31,880
of my sister's created by Warren number

1216
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:33,090
one

1217
01:01:41,660 --> 01:01:38,970
after I saw them in a catalog I informed

1218
01:01:43,970 --> 01:01:41,670
my friend Stan about this deception

1219
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:43,980
where his name had been used his

1220
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:46,890
reaction was a lot more sophisticated

1221
01:01:51,620 --> 01:01:48,930
than mine was he just laughed and said I

1222
01:01:53,780 --> 01:01:51,630
wished I would have saved autographs but

1223
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:53,790
I will of course contact the auction

1224
01:01:58,370 --> 01:01:55,530
house as I did as well

1225
01:02:00,800 --> 01:01:58,380
and to the best of my knowledge these

1226
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:00,810
items did not sell at least I hope

1227
01:02:05,870 --> 01:02:01,770
that's the case

1228
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:05,880
however well there you go then

1229
01:02:15,530 --> 01:02:11,010
however to add insult to injury and not

1230
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:15,540
for you or I but for Larry Warren

1231
01:02:23,810 --> 01:02:20,370
professional forger after he after I

1232
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:23,820
went on record about this little problem

1233
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:26,250
about the rubber stamp from the estate

1234
01:02:33,740 --> 01:02:29,850
of Helen wheels he has gone on record as

1235
01:02:37,850 --> 01:02:33,750
saying that she while she was alive gave

1236
01:02:39,470 --> 01:02:37,860
him those two cards and other things you

1237
01:02:44,540 --> 01:02:39,480
know that and have been able to confirm

1238
01:02:46,040 --> 01:02:44,550
that the one that you gave him and the

1239
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:46,050
one that he's got that signed by

1240
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:48,930
everyone was signed for Helen by one of

1241
01:02:52,790 --> 01:02:50,460
Helens friends who took it round again

1242
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:52,800
that got all the signals okay then she

1243
01:02:56,090 --> 01:02:53,730
gave it to Larry

1244
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:56,100
okay very good well that's just fine

1245
01:03:02,120 --> 01:02:59,760
except for one problem the rubber stamp

1246
01:03:04,820 --> 01:03:02,130
saying the estate from the estate of

1247
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:04,830
Helen Robbins was created after my

1248
01:03:10,460 --> 01:03:08,250
sister was dead I did not make it up

1249
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:10,470
when she was alive

1250
01:03:16,220 --> 01:03:12,240
she died very tragically and very

1251
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:16,230
quickly and I was not anticipating my

1252
01:03:24,260 --> 01:03:19,200
sister as they say pre D ceasing me I

1253
01:03:27,830 --> 01:03:24,270
was in despair I was heartbroken and it

1254
01:03:30,350 --> 01:03:27,840
poses a problem for Warren because for

1255
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:30,360
the countless whatever time he has now

1256
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:33,090
not only been caught in another outright

1257
01:03:37,970 --> 01:03:35,610
lie but one that there's no way to

1258
01:03:40,730 --> 01:03:37,980
wiggle out of the only thing I've been

1259
01:03:44,450 --> 01:03:40,740
thinking in my mind how can he get out

1260
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:44,460
of this one the card that she gave him

1261
01:03:49,999 --> 01:03:46,650
that was taken a

1262
01:03:51,769 --> 01:03:50,009
quote unquote and signed how they got to

1263
01:03:54,890 --> 01:03:51,779
miss Hepburn when she was not signing

1264
01:03:57,319 --> 01:03:54,900
autographs and living in Connecticut at

1265
01:03:58,759 --> 01:03:57,329
that point is beyond me but of course

1266
01:04:03,279 --> 01:03:58,769
there's an excuse there's an explanation

1267
01:04:06,380 --> 01:04:03,289
I'm sure that he has now made it clear

1268
01:04:09,259 --> 01:04:06,390
that that was his before the fact from

1269
01:04:13,309 --> 01:04:09,269
her how did that rubber stamp get on it

1270
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:13,319
either he's lying and that it is the one

1271
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:15,359
that I gave him with the rubber stamp on

1272
01:04:22,099 --> 01:04:18,450
it after she died or there's only one

1273
01:04:27,529 --> 01:04:22,109
other possibility that he created an

1274
01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:27,539
absolutely identical rubber stamp and of

1275
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:29,369
course that's not the case because he's

1276
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:30,930
an honest fellow would never do things

1277
01:04:36,950 --> 01:04:35,460
like that so you know he's damned if he

1278
01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:36,960
does he damned if he doesn't and it's

1279
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:38,700
one more question he will never answer

1280
01:04:44,569 --> 01:04:41,130
he'll change the topic he'll get angry

1281
01:04:48,109 --> 01:04:44,579
and Gary the same thing they really are

1282
01:04:52,329 --> 01:04:48,119
outrageous so well I want to go on to

1283
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:52,339
now with because we will stay on this is

1284
01:04:58,279 --> 01:04:55,440
you know apart from the fact that Warren

1285
01:05:03,099 --> 01:04:58,289
had about 20 items in the auction and

1286
01:05:07,489 --> 01:05:03,109
sold 36,000 pounds worth of stuff my god

1287
01:05:09,710 --> 01:05:07,499
he actually said Gary's up there with

1288
01:05:11,410 --> 01:05:09,720
him and they he's got this stuff and he

1289
01:05:15,319 --> 01:05:11,420
keeps producing all these little items

1290
01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:15,329
like there's a flexi disc he said

1291
01:05:28,420 --> 01:05:19,980
there's a folder so you know Warren is

1292
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:32,509
and that was it okay so he says that he

1293
01:05:39,079 --> 01:05:35,220
had song lyrics of Helens that she

1294
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:39,089
tacked them all out and you know he kept

1295
01:05:44,269 --> 01:05:41,160
all them she gave him Emmy and all kinds

1296
01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:44,279
of things and then he said that you gave

1297
01:05:51,380 --> 01:05:47,849
him this stuff this folder of stuff to

1298
01:05:53,870 --> 01:05:51,390
sell for him he said he was not able to

1299
01:05:57,700 --> 01:05:53,880
because the market for Helen was not big

1300
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:57,710
in England so I still have the stuff and

1301
01:06:05,540 --> 01:06:00,480
he can have it all back

1302
01:06:08,210 --> 01:06:05,550
Oh support being I'm glad I saved it

1303
01:06:10,430 --> 01:06:08,220
because I wasn't supposed to know Helen

1304
01:06:12,050 --> 01:06:10,440
apparently well actually nobody has said

1305
01:06:16,339 --> 01:06:12,060
that and it's ridiculous to say that

1306
01:06:19,099 --> 01:06:16,349
because Helen was your sister and so of

1307
01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:19,109
course he said oh I can't remember our

1308
01:06:26,180 --> 01:06:21,690
matter is in some big apartment in new

1309
01:06:28,730 --> 01:06:26,190
course because it's too it's too

1310
01:06:30,770 --> 01:06:28,740
convenient to forget that she's actually

1311
01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:30,780
your sister he doesn't hide that fact

1312
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:33,000
what to say that he doesn't know how he

1313
01:06:41,380 --> 01:06:38,970
met her is outrageous my apartment she

1314
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:41,390
says was her apartment that's another

1315
01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:44,310
thing that he would have us believe it

1316
01:06:50,300 --> 01:06:46,050
had been her apartment but she had moved

1317
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:50,310
on and I had moved in he met Helen

1318
01:06:57,290 --> 01:06:53,970
shortly after he came to New York to

1319
01:07:02,450 --> 01:06:57,300
have his first meeting with me and that

1320
01:07:05,150 --> 01:07:02,460
would have been I believe the weekend

1321
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:05,160
after July 4th or the July 4th weekend I

1322
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:07,170
can look that up because I keep all of

1323
01:07:16,790 --> 01:07:12,329
my appointment books but yes and being

1324
01:07:19,309 --> 01:07:16,800
Larry that very first visit the one

1325
01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:19,319
thing that I remember that he absolutely

1326
01:07:25,460 --> 01:07:21,960
had to do was have me take a picture of

1327
01:07:27,890 --> 01:07:25,470
him and Helen together and we had a roof

1328
01:07:30,530 --> 01:07:27,900
garden on the building that I lived in

1329
01:07:32,510 --> 01:07:30,540
on he's 46 Street and we went up there

1330
01:07:34,940 --> 01:07:32,520
and I took a very nice picture of him

1331
01:07:36,829 --> 01:07:34,950
and Helen together which he has had

1332
01:07:40,250 --> 01:07:36,839
bragging rights relative to my sister

1333
01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:40,260
ever since by showing them there are no

1334
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:42,210
other pictures of him and Helen if there

1335
01:07:47,210 --> 01:07:45,030
are I'd like him to let us know as far

1336
01:07:51,170 --> 01:07:47,220
as me giving him a lot of stuff of

1337
01:07:53,930 --> 01:07:51,180
Helens cell guess what folks that is a

1338
01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:53,940
lie I didn't give him a lot of stuff

1339
01:08:00,470 --> 01:07:57,180
however several years after my sister

1340
01:08:04,270 --> 01:08:00,480
passed he asked me if there was anything

1341
01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:04,280
of Helens that I would like to sell I

1342
01:08:11,059 --> 01:08:08,160
consulted with our other sister and we

1343
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:11,069
agreed to put together a single lot of

1344
01:08:17,329 --> 01:08:14,160
three items one was

1345
01:08:21,530 --> 01:08:17,339
a beautiful photograph and printed

1346
01:08:24,559 --> 01:08:21,540
photograph I think was 11 by 14 by the

1347
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:24,569
photographer who just happened to be the

1348
01:08:30,349 --> 01:08:28,080
guy whose provenance he faked with his

1349
01:08:35,870 --> 01:08:30,359
fake doors signature in that same

1350
01:08:40,099 --> 01:08:35,880
auction as the to Helen wheels party

1351
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:40,109
announcement cards and we paired it up

1352
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:44,489
with the actual custom item she was

1353
01:08:53,180 --> 01:08:46,920
wearing a beautiful leather bustier and

1354
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:53,190
as I recall a a punk or music business

1355
01:08:59,329 --> 01:08:56,370
publication with a photo of Helen

1356
01:09:02,570 --> 01:08:59,339
wearing that costume item so it was the

1357
01:09:04,610 --> 01:09:02,580
costume item it was the bustier and it

1358
01:09:05,959 --> 01:09:04,620
was this beautiful original print which

1359
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:05,969
I think might have been signed on the

1360
01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:09,210
back not sure by the photographer that

1361
01:09:13,729 --> 01:09:12,060
was it and I think that's really nice

1362
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:13,739
that I can have that back whenever I

1363
01:09:21,229 --> 01:09:16,650
wanted I want it back send it to me

1364
01:09:27,019 --> 01:09:21,239
and you know what if you do I will then

1365
01:09:32,180 --> 01:09:27,029
send you a money order or transfer funds

1366
01:09:35,959 --> 01:09:32,190
to your account on the exact amount on

1367
01:09:38,930 --> 01:09:35,969
the stamps or on the postal meter

1368
01:09:41,809 --> 01:09:38,940
I will document the whole thing I will

1369
01:09:43,579 --> 01:09:41,819
share it with you so that you can see it

1370
01:09:46,010 --> 01:09:43,589
all and share it with the people that

1371
01:09:48,979 --> 01:09:46,020
listen to you so that they know that I

1372
01:09:52,939 --> 01:09:48,989
made good on my paying for the shipping

1373
01:10:00,709 --> 01:09:52,949
of that item and the to supporting items

1374
01:10:04,330 --> 01:10:00,719
back to me and my family he's got this

1375
01:10:08,300 --> 01:10:04,340
red folder with a picture of Helen on it

1376
01:10:09,770 --> 01:10:08,310
inside it there was the black and white

1377
01:10:12,919 --> 01:10:09,780
photo that you're talking about with the

1378
01:10:15,550 --> 01:10:12,929
provenance on the back he still has that

1379
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:15,560
there's no bus lanes in bastia in sight

1380
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:20,880
but there were a few records you know

1381
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:27,330
any same things over the years they were

1382
01:10:31,820 --> 01:10:28,050
not

1383
01:10:34,370 --> 01:10:31,830
given to him for sale they were given as

1384
01:10:37,820 --> 01:10:34,380
a friend the only thing that was ever

1385
01:10:40,940 --> 01:10:37,830
given to him to potentially put on sale

1386
01:10:43,580 --> 01:10:40,950
were those three items together that

1387
01:10:46,730 --> 01:10:43,590
with the agreement of my sister other

1388
01:10:48,710 --> 01:10:46,740
sister but again you know he's got the

1389
01:10:54,910 --> 01:10:48,720
items so he changes the story classic

1390
01:11:01,520 --> 01:10:59,720
so Gary says and they've got the stump

1391
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:01,530
and they're clearly old black-and-white

1392
01:11:06,350 --> 01:11:04,320
photographs of Palin and another one

1393
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:06,360
here this is more or less on the card

1394
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:09,420
but again photograph so it is original

1395
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:11,490
and it's being printed off and it's got

1396
01:11:15,260 --> 01:11:13,140
the stick assigned by Peter Robbins on

1397
01:11:18,650 --> 01:11:15,270
the back and that's the prominence on it

1398
01:11:20,180 --> 01:11:18,660
and provenance and again the stamp of

1399
01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:20,190
provenance it keeps going on about then

1400
01:11:24,860 --> 01:11:22,830
both of him a talking and he said you

1401
01:11:26,570 --> 01:11:24,870
see if I had to solve this property then

1402
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:26,580
they would have needed this and that's

1403
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,930
the thing with the provenance and then

1404
01:11:31,100 --> 01:11:29,520
Garrett and Gary says the provenance

1405
01:11:35,330 --> 01:11:31,110
part yet again since this word

1406
01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:35,340
provenance I said about ten and it's not

1407
01:11:39,410 --> 01:11:37,140
my word because it's coming from Peter

1408
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:39,420
and that's enough and he knows the

1409
01:11:45,020 --> 01:11:42,210
histories and Gary says so basically

1410
01:11:48,170 --> 01:11:45,030
Peter Robbins gave you quite a lot of

1411
01:11:50,510 --> 01:11:48,180
Helens stuff as material to sell because

1412
01:11:55,670 --> 01:11:50,520
he knew your memorabilia connections

1413
01:12:01,130 --> 01:11:55,680
Warren said of course exactly the fact

1414
01:12:04,130 --> 01:12:01,140
is that that is a lie on both of their

1415
01:12:07,700 --> 01:12:04,140
parts you know this is really disgusting

1416
01:12:10,190 --> 01:12:07,710
but so you were the guy in the business

1417
01:12:12,710 --> 01:12:10,200
so it would make sense he would give you

1418
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:12,720
stuff and Warren says it wasn't for me

1419
01:12:20,210 --> 01:12:17,610
so that's a lie it was specifically for

1420
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:20,220
him yeah I got these things from Helen

1421
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:23,370
also I think oh so there's a folder here

1422
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:26,130
with like a publicity thing some

1423
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,130
handwritten notations and Ron says

1424
01:12:34,790 --> 01:12:32,000
that's a flat flexi disc and Barry says

1425
01:12:37,070 --> 01:12:34,800
okay shows you what I know about music

1426
01:12:39,500 --> 01:12:37,080
exactly Gary right so you're sitting

1427
01:12:41,450 --> 01:12:39,510
there and you're going oh yes this is

1428
01:12:44,390 --> 01:12:41,460
real this is really you don't know any

1429
01:12:47,420 --> 01:12:44,400
think about anything to do with anything

1430
01:12:49,850 --> 01:12:47,430
to do with that and quite apparently you

1431
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:49,860
don't know anything about investigating

1432
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:51,930
because you ask him a question he

1433
01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:54,210
answers the question and you go well

1434
01:12:58,880 --> 01:12:55,560
that makes sense

1435
01:13:01,790 --> 01:12:58,890
and now with there's no critical

1436
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:01,800
thinking there's no have you asked Peter

1437
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:04,320
have you spoken to Peter about this what

1438
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:07,410
does he say it's just I Warren will lie

1439
01:13:14,510 --> 01:13:11,730
and Gary's just accepts it so you know

1440
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:14,520
one of the things about sociopaths and

1441
01:13:18,890 --> 01:13:16,800
like a number of people who have been

1442
01:13:23,230 --> 01:13:18,900
caught in Larry's wake I've tried to

1443
01:13:27,980 --> 01:13:23,240
educate myself a bit on what this term

1444
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:27,990
actually means is when cornered or a

1445
01:13:37,250 --> 01:13:31,500
question or attacked they will ascribe

1446
01:13:38,780 --> 01:13:37,260
to you characteristics that are part of

1447
01:13:43,100 --> 01:13:38,790
the way that they operate

1448
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:43,110
I accept for again the time that Larry

1449
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:45,540
said is there anything that you would

1450
01:13:51,350 --> 01:13:48,570
like me to sell for you Anne and I

1451
01:13:54,970 --> 01:13:51,360
decided let's try this one group of

1452
01:13:59,570 --> 01:13:54,980
three items I never gave Larry Warren

1453
01:14:02,360 --> 01:13:59,580
anything of my sister's to sell for me

1454
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:02,370
or anybody else aside from those items

1455
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:05,280
Helen who gave him quite a number of

1456
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:07,530
lovely little you know parts of her

1457
01:14:13,700 --> 01:14:09,930
career whether it was ephemera different

1458
01:14:17,060 --> 01:14:13,710
memorabilia yes at the time and that she

1459
01:14:18,890 --> 01:14:17,070
made that single on a flexible record

1460
01:14:21,740 --> 01:14:18,900
glued to a piece of cardboard called a

1461
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:21,750
flexi disc yeah we got one or more of

1462
01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:24,650
those they were not given to him to

1463
01:14:31,670 --> 01:14:28,860
resell Helen never gave him anything to

1464
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:31,680
sell she gave him things as she did to

1465
01:14:38,210 --> 01:14:34,050
other friends from had to do with her

1466
01:14:42,170 --> 01:14:38,220
career or her work or the archives as

1467
01:14:45,380 --> 01:14:42,180
gifts she didn't think like that I don't

1468
01:14:47,780 --> 01:14:45,390
think like that Warren does and hassle

1469
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:47,790
time buys it and that's what we're

1470
01:15:00,979 --> 01:14:58,939
literally avoiding asking him there's

1471
01:15:03,169 --> 01:15:00,989
the micktaylor photo he says he worked

1472
01:15:04,580 --> 01:15:03,179
for McTell in the Mikaela ban for two

1473
01:15:06,770 --> 01:15:04,590
years but the whole thing I've been

1474
01:15:10,069 --> 01:15:06,780
working for Atlantic Records for twenty

1475
01:15:13,609 --> 01:15:10,079
years if he started in 1982 when Charlie

1476
01:15:14,930 --> 01:15:13,619
comer picked him up and he worked for 20

1477
01:15:17,930 --> 01:15:14,940
years for the same company

1478
01:15:20,029 --> 01:15:17,940
then at the time we were working and

1479
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:20,039
never mentioned it to me cluding he's

1480
01:15:26,479 --> 01:15:21,840
overseeing the event at Madison Square

1481
01:15:30,140 --> 01:15:26,489
Garden gosh that's amazing

1482
01:15:33,350 --> 01:15:30,150
so that would take him to 2002 when he

1483
01:15:38,020 --> 01:15:33,360
moved to this country in 99 2000 had

1484
01:15:42,589 --> 01:15:38,030
Dennis and then he goes scooting off to

1485
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:42,599
Ground Zero at 9/11 after 9/11 because

1486
01:15:50,299 --> 01:15:46,489
of his expertise in the steel industry

1487
01:15:54,620 --> 01:15:50,309
managed to get that qualification job

1488
01:15:58,700 --> 01:15:54,630
experience to become so educated on

1489
01:16:01,279 --> 01:15:58,710
steel and whatever that he was accepted

1490
01:16:02,089 --> 01:16:01,289
as part of the cleanup crew at Ground

1491
01:16:04,339 --> 01:16:02,099
Zero

1492
01:16:07,310 --> 01:16:04,349
if he was doing all this stuff with

1493
01:16:10,339 --> 01:16:07,320
Charlie coma Stevie Ray Vaughan for nine

1494
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:10,349
years the kinks he said he worked by

1495
01:16:16,069 --> 01:16:13,170
sight it's like he worked for guess who

1496
01:16:18,859 --> 01:16:16,079
he started as a roadie but guess who in

1497
01:16:21,020 --> 01:16:18,869
the late in the 70s but in actual fact

1498
01:16:29,989 --> 01:16:21,030
he said that when he was still in high

1499
01:16:32,089 --> 01:16:29,999
school I guess the year before he went

1500
01:16:34,609 --> 01:16:32,099
into the Air Force he did is a year in

1501
01:16:38,569 --> 01:16:34,619
England as a next that's true right

1502
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:38,579
no he was 10 days because the letter

1503
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:42,239
from where he went and stayed the mom

1504
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:44,340
wrote a letter to his mom saying how

1505
01:16:49,209 --> 01:16:46,110
lovely it been for the 10 days that

1506
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:49,219
Larry had stayed there so he's saying

1507
01:16:56,750 --> 01:16:52,530
you know it was the year before and well

1508
01:17:00,319 --> 01:16:56,760
in actual fact in England until recently

1509
01:17:02,390 --> 01:17:00,329
we are left school aged 16 so he would

1510
01:17:05,779 --> 01:17:02,400
have been a seventeen net going on 18

1511
01:17:07,069 --> 01:17:05,789
year old in a class full of 15 year olds

1512
01:17:08,459 --> 01:17:07,079
going on 16

1513
01:17:10,169 --> 01:17:08,469
so that just doesn't

1514
01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:10,179
even making me since he's forgotten or

1515
01:17:14,339 --> 01:17:12,249
didn't realize that we don't leave

1516
01:17:16,529 --> 01:17:14,349
school in England as one we're 80 well

1517
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:16,539
we do now but this is a very recent

1518
01:17:25,020 --> 01:17:19,570
thing in the past few years so that just

1519
01:17:28,229 --> 01:17:25,030
can't have happened you know I I I want

1520
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:28,239
to bring up something here because I can

1521
01:17:32,219 --> 01:17:31,050
visualize some of your listeners going

1522
01:17:34,290 --> 01:17:32,229
boy

1523
01:17:36,750 --> 01:17:34,300
a lot of vitriol flying here and you

1524
01:17:39,180 --> 01:17:36,760
know we haven't even talked about the

1525
01:17:41,339 --> 01:17:39,190
UFO incident that he is alleged to have

1526
01:17:45,540 --> 01:17:41,349
been involved in except in passing

1527
01:17:49,379 --> 01:17:45,550
references but you know um you're

1528
01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:49,389
talking about all this other stuff for

1529
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:52,329
me unlike some people

1530
01:18:01,020 --> 01:17:56,650
if you are caught in criminal behavior

1531
01:18:04,350 --> 01:18:01,030
or lies or you know Larry's specialty

1532
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:04,360
forgery which not only has been involved

1533
01:18:10,739 --> 01:18:06,489
in for decades but he has been caught in

1534
01:18:13,919 --> 01:18:10,749
and I as well as many other people look

1535
01:18:17,069 --> 01:18:13,929
forward to the publication of what will

1536
01:18:20,669 --> 01:18:17,079
literally be a catalogue of all of this

1537
01:18:22,319 --> 01:18:20,679
information with the actual proofs with

1538
01:18:25,169 --> 01:18:22,329
the exhibits with the appropriate

1539
01:18:28,049 --> 01:18:25,179
provenance etc with firsthand testimony

1540
01:18:30,390 --> 01:18:28,059
from real people backed up by other real

1541
01:18:32,069 --> 01:18:30,400
people etc that we will be seeing coming

1542
01:18:34,919 --> 01:18:32,079
at us later this year which is very

1543
01:18:36,719 --> 01:18:34,929
exciting my point here is this for some

1544
01:18:39,540 --> 01:18:36,729
people and I've heard the argument being

1545
01:18:41,370 --> 01:18:39,550
made that okay so he strayed off the

1546
01:18:44,189 --> 01:18:41,380
path in his private life but that

1547
01:18:46,859 --> 01:18:44,199
doesn't negate you know his account of

1548
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:46,869
his involvement in this UFO incident

1549
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:50,110
that occurred with 40-plus other people

1550
01:18:56,279 --> 01:18:53,170
that is his number not mine and yet here

1551
01:18:59,009 --> 01:18:56,289
we are absolutely none of them coming

1552
01:19:03,810 --> 01:18:59,019
forward to back him up when you lie

1553
01:19:06,689 --> 01:19:03,820
you're a liar and to assume that your

1554
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:06,699
pristine in one area of your life and

1555
01:19:13,649 --> 01:19:10,090
that you're completely unethical in the

1556
01:19:16,219 --> 01:19:13,659
other is my even the extreme it's not an

1557
01:19:20,250 --> 01:19:16,229
argument that can even begin to be made

1558
01:19:22,130 --> 01:19:20,260
to support his account that I bought so

1559
01:19:25,310 --> 01:19:22,140
willingly for so many years

1560
01:19:27,170 --> 01:19:25,320
mm-hmm yeah and also there are people

1561
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:27,180
that are coming forward now like we've

1562
01:19:31,940 --> 01:19:29,250
had Dwayne he's come forward he's quite

1563
01:19:33,950 --> 01:19:31,950
oppositely public and he's given as the

1564
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:33,960
jacket that Larry gave him with a

1565
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:36,690
hundred and letter from him from New

1566
01:19:42,860 --> 01:19:41,250
York or LA or wherever saying that he

1567
01:19:46,750 --> 01:19:42,870
gave him the jacket he was going to make

1568
01:19:50,030 --> 01:19:46,760
him famous so I was talking to some

1569
01:19:54,980 --> 01:19:50,040
autographed guys recently and I said I'm

1570
01:19:58,520 --> 01:19:54,990
trying to find out you know if these oh

1571
01:20:00,860 --> 01:19:58,530
you know these images fabricated fate

1572
01:20:04,430 --> 01:20:00,870
and um what is wrong with them so that I

1573
01:20:07,700 --> 01:20:04,440
can present why these are fake not being

1574
01:20:11,390 --> 01:20:07,710
an expert but experts repeating what

1575
01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:11,400
they're saying and we do not have a lot

1576
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:14,340
of original stuff Duane has already paid

1577
01:20:22,340 --> 01:20:18,570
for this jacket to be authenticated so

1578
01:20:23,900 --> 01:20:22,350
I'm talking to these guys and so I've

1579
01:20:27,530 --> 01:20:23,910
kind of give him a rundown of the

1580
01:20:30,580 --> 01:20:27,540
situation and they go oh him we've known

1581
01:20:34,370 --> 01:20:30,590
about him for 25 years

1582
01:20:36,050 --> 01:20:34,380
Wow okay with Stevie Ray Vaughan's stuff

1583
01:20:38,420 --> 01:20:36,060
oh and he was good

1584
01:20:41,150 --> 01:20:38,430
and so I was like what in those guys

1585
01:20:43,310 --> 01:20:41,160
yeah this guy such as such knows all

1586
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:43,320
about him and I'll put you in touch with

1587
01:20:47,300 --> 01:20:45,360
this other guy and they'll help you out

1588
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:47,310
so you know there's things like that

1589
01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:48,810
going on there's a couple of other

1590
01:20:53,990 --> 01:20:51,360
things that I can't even say and I don't

1591
01:20:56,990 --> 01:20:54,000
even want to jinx them but hopefully

1592
01:20:58,880 --> 01:20:57,000
coming up but this is rolling now this

1593
01:21:01,430 --> 01:20:58,890
has got a kind of a life of its own I

1594
01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:01,440
have got so much evidence that prove he

1595
01:21:09,470 --> 01:21:04,290
is the forger and that I've got about I

1596
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:09,480
don't know maybe maybe 50 items have

1597
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:13,890
your own handwriting and obviously that

1598
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:16,530
will increase with time but we've got

1599
01:21:22,910 --> 01:21:19,530
this wonderful set of from my auction

1600
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:22,920
that we're talking about before John

1601
01:21:31,730 --> 01:21:28,410
Lennon sketch of a sheep and it's like

1602
01:21:33,650 --> 01:21:31,740
Oh quite obviously Larry Warren's

1603
01:21:35,359 --> 01:21:33,660
handwriting and everything if you ever

1604
01:21:39,260 --> 01:21:35,369
you know like I've seen any of

1605
01:21:42,979 --> 01:21:39,270
so this is very distinctive 4000 to 6000

1606
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:42,989
pounds for a scribble of a sheep on a

1607
01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:49,250
cloud with the Little John face yeah

1608
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:52,500
certain point in time even says the

1609
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:55,440
flying sheep by John Lennon has drawn

1610
01:22:00,589 --> 01:21:57,360
for John Lennon's personal assistant

1611
01:22:04,689 --> 01:22:00,599
Fred seaman for his birthday in 1978 a

1612
01:22:07,339 --> 01:22:04,699
year before tried work for the Lennon's

1613
01:22:10,010 --> 01:22:07,349
I'm not quite sure what that was his

1614
01:22:16,729 --> 01:22:10,020
aunt Helen was Sean's nanny or spoke

1615
01:22:21,290 --> 01:22:16,739
Naini this put this work was purchase of

1616
01:22:24,490 --> 01:22:21,300
from Fred inspected by Yoko Ono due to

1617
01:22:27,410 --> 01:22:24,500
bad blood between them in brackets and

1618
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:27,420
authenticated by her with no claim made

1619
01:22:32,209 --> 01:22:30,690
Larry Warren so it can't leave himself

1620
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:32,219
out of these things anymore

1621
01:22:37,939 --> 01:22:35,760
no become so egotistical about it even

1622
01:22:40,899 --> 01:22:37,949
had a little plaque made that said it

1623
01:22:44,810 --> 01:22:40,909
was John Lennon a Beatles Authenticator

1624
01:22:52,689 --> 01:22:44,820
so you know that's another thing as you

1625
01:22:56,330 --> 01:22:52,699
know it wasn't until he posted the

1626
01:22:58,180 --> 01:22:56,340
embarrassingly poorly photoshopped

1627
01:23:01,040 --> 01:22:58,190
picture of him and John Lennon that

1628
01:23:05,570 --> 01:23:01,050
anybody with a reverse image search can

1629
01:23:09,770 --> 01:23:05,580
find the original photo of where he

1630
01:23:11,060 --> 01:23:09,780
purports to be 19 years old but his the

1631
01:23:13,070 --> 01:23:11,070
shape of his face is completely

1632
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:13,080
different it's taken at least 10 years

1633
01:23:20,330 --> 01:23:16,650
after that and when I first saw that I

1634
01:23:22,850 --> 01:23:20,340
was still I mean I I was hanging on to

1635
01:23:26,750 --> 01:23:22,860
the dream I was still trying to find a

1636
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:26,760
way to believe him and he I I you know

1637
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:29,610
okay so Sasha and her evil boyfriend

1638
01:23:34,370 --> 01:23:32,400
they you know did all this photoshopping

1639
01:23:39,050 --> 01:23:34,380
to embarrass you and make you look bad

1640
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:39,060
okay here's a photo that I can

1641
01:23:48,650 --> 01:23:45,090
absolutely prove is you know a forgery

1642
01:23:51,230 --> 01:23:48,660
and get behind you in standing again

1643
01:23:52,850 --> 01:23:51,240
them and his response was no man that's

1644
01:23:56,270 --> 01:23:52,860
that's a real one get your story

1645
01:23:58,640 --> 01:23:56,280
straight and my reaction was wait a

1646
01:24:01,160 --> 01:23:58,650
minute we've known each other for more

1647
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:01,170
than a quarter of a century you are more

1648
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,120
obsessed with John Lennon than anybody I

1649
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:05,760
have ever met in my entire life

1650
01:24:12,170 --> 01:24:08,370
you're a self-proclaimed Beatles and

1651
01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:12,180
John Lennon scholar you allege that you

1652
01:24:17,210 --> 01:24:15,540
had an affair with Mae pang that didn't

1653
01:24:20,180 --> 01:24:17,220
end well but she gave you a bunch of

1654
01:24:23,330 --> 01:24:20,190
John's stuff and which I bought back in

1655
01:24:25,010 --> 01:24:23,340
the day because me I knew her in passing

1656
01:24:27,460 --> 01:24:25,020
she lived just a few blocks north of me

1657
01:24:30,350 --> 01:24:27,470
when they had their alleged affair and

1658
01:24:31,850 --> 01:24:30,360
she gave him things of John's which of

1659
01:24:35,090 --> 01:24:31,860
course she is now on record as saying

1660
01:24:37,340 --> 01:24:35,100
she never did that you never bothered to

1661
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:37,350
mention to me all these years that you

1662
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:41,250
met John Lennon and his response was

1663
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:43,410
well I was saving that for another book

1664
01:24:50,570 --> 01:24:47,130
and I thought to myself write em pigs

1665
01:24:55,070 --> 01:24:50,580
fly now since then of course you know

1666
01:24:58,190 --> 01:24:55,080
that to everything since then I have

1667
01:25:01,220 --> 01:24:58,200
seen accounts where he is on record as

1668
01:25:04,340 --> 01:25:01,230
saying that he met John Lennon no he met

1669
01:25:08,140 --> 01:25:04,350
John Lennon twice no he met John Lennon

1670
01:25:14,060 --> 01:25:11,840
oh whatever

1671
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:14,070
no no he said although it's at least but

1672
01:25:17,570 --> 01:25:15,600
even once he said he's met him a couple

1673
01:25:19,910 --> 01:25:17,580
of times he studies Matt is three times

1674
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:19,920
I've got all the evidence of that and

1675
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:24,330
now he's just said he met him once it's

1676
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:26,730
breathtaking it really is and it would

1677
01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:30,410
be funny or entertaining if it wasn't so

1678
01:25:41,390 --> 01:25:39,450
disgusting and infuriating the poor

1679
01:25:45,020 --> 01:25:41,400
sucker I you know I pity these people

1680
01:25:48,770 --> 01:25:45,030
they are I'm sure over all great people

1681
01:25:50,750 --> 01:25:48,780
who are enamored with certain figures in

1682
01:25:53,300 --> 01:25:50,760
pop culture god bless them and the idea

1683
01:25:55,730 --> 01:25:53,310
of owning something by somebody you

1684
01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:55,740
admire I know it

1685
01:26:00,350 --> 01:25:57,450
I'm a bibliophile I have a large

1686
01:26:02,130 --> 01:26:00,360
collection of books that I read I also

1687
01:26:05,850 --> 01:26:02,140
have a collection of books

1688
01:26:08,340 --> 01:26:05,860
I have because they mean something to me

1689
01:26:11,460 --> 01:26:08,350
emotionally and in some cases they're

1690
01:26:15,630 --> 01:26:11,470
signed or inscribed by authors I value

1691
01:26:18,780 --> 01:26:15,640
them the idea of being taken for a ride

1692
01:26:20,460 --> 01:26:18,790
by somebody who's just doing this to rob

1693
01:26:22,620 --> 01:26:20,470
people of their money with the thought

1694
01:26:26,370 --> 01:26:22,630
that if you're enough of a sucker which

1695
01:26:30,420 --> 01:26:26,380
reminds me in you discuss in your

1696
01:26:35,370 --> 01:26:30,430
treatment of the the recent Garry Larry

1697
01:26:40,290 --> 01:26:35,380
exchange that Larry talks about an

1698
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:40,300
auction dealer early on who cheated him

1699
01:26:46,890 --> 01:26:43,890
I remember this event very well because

1700
01:26:50,490 --> 01:26:46,900
the guy's name as I recall was Michael

1701
01:26:51,870 --> 01:26:50,500
and Warren was oh he was so excited and

1702
01:26:53,910 --> 01:26:51,880
this was going to be a really big thing

1703
01:26:55,530 --> 01:26:53,920
for him and he had given the guy things

1704
01:26:57,150 --> 01:26:55,540
on consignment which may have been real

1705
01:27:00,090 --> 01:26:57,160
or may not have

1706
01:27:02,070 --> 01:27:00,100
but then the guy stiffed him and it was

1707
01:27:04,650 --> 01:27:02,080
thousands and whatever how many money

1708
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:04,660
allegedly that he had been taken a ride

1709
01:27:12,540 --> 01:27:07,840
on at one point he was staying with me

1710
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:12,550
in New York and he asked Helen and I my

1711
01:27:16,440 --> 01:27:14,080
sister and I were having a party we

1712
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:16,450
shared an apartment at that time and he

1713
01:27:20,730 --> 01:27:19,210
asked if he could invite this auction

1714
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:20,740
dealer you know trying to get him good

1715
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:22,690
with them and everything who brought a

1716
01:27:29,550 --> 01:27:27,970
friend as well Helen I you know the guy

1717
01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:29,560
stank I mean there was something about

1718
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:33,100
him that was just I'm not the most

1719
01:27:38,130 --> 01:27:35,290
cautious person in many respects God

1720
01:27:41,340 --> 01:27:38,140
knows but this guy gave off signals that

1721
01:27:43,020 --> 01:27:41,350
you know he was a total fraud and we

1722
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:43,030
brought our concerns to Larry's

1723
01:27:48,860 --> 01:27:46,810
attention no no he's the goods I wonder

1724
01:27:53,280 --> 01:27:48,870
sometimes in retrospect whether or not

1725
01:27:56,910 --> 01:27:53,290
Larry getting taken for a ride

1726
01:27:58,800 --> 01:27:56,920
early on in his career by that guy made

1727
01:28:01,170 --> 01:27:58,810
him feel it was okay to do the same

1728
01:28:03,900 --> 01:28:01,180
thing to other people and you know black

1729
01:28:07,770 --> 01:28:03,910
him if they get caught Wow

1730
01:28:09,950 --> 01:28:07,780
we know you said yes it was a it was

1731
01:28:15,150 --> 01:28:09,960
early in the it was mid-80s wasn't that

1732
01:28:16,020 --> 01:28:15,160
well no it couldn't have been mid

1733
01:28:17,730 --> 01:28:16,030
eighties because we didn't

1734
01:28:20,670 --> 01:28:17,740
knowing each other then and he didn't

1735
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:20,680
get into the business until 87 or 88

1736
01:28:28,170 --> 01:28:23,530
that I'm aware of but it was at a party

1737
01:28:31,650 --> 01:28:28,180
at 88 or 89 at our apartment in Upper

1738
01:28:33,000 --> 01:28:31,660
Manhattan that we met this guy and what

1739
01:28:35,070 --> 01:28:33,010
about the stuff that he brought back

1740
01:28:37,230 --> 01:28:35,080
from me they said that may pack had

1741
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:37,240
given him the that would have been

1742
01:28:45,330 --> 01:28:41,170
eighty eight eighty it would have been

1743
01:28:47,370 --> 01:28:45,340
88 yeah because have this relationship

1744
01:28:57,110 --> 01:28:47,380
with her and staying with me at the time

1745
01:29:05,460 --> 01:29:02,700
once it records and I please indulge me

1746
01:29:07,860 --> 01:29:05,470
I need to read this out I stood on stage

1747
01:29:10,050 --> 01:29:07,870
with Led Zeppelin in 88 where they were

1748
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:10,060
when they were united the first time

1749
01:29:15,660 --> 01:29:12,970
with Jason Bonham literally behind pages

1750
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:15,670
amp I was an artist coordinator for

1751
01:29:20,130 --> 01:29:18,370
Atlantic Records 40th anniversary so

1752
01:29:22,940 --> 01:29:20,140
what he's saying is he organized the

1753
01:29:26,490 --> 01:29:22,950
band's the the Madison Square Gardens

1754
01:29:28,650 --> 01:29:26,500
Records 40th anniversary right this is

1755
01:29:30,570 --> 01:29:28,660
so amazing this story and he I'm

1756
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:30,580
guessing he would have been staying with

1757
01:29:38,640 --> 01:29:31,930
me because he had nowhere to play a

1758
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,650
place to stay in New York one thing that

1759
01:29:41,670 --> 01:29:40,000
you should and we could of course find

1760
01:29:43,500 --> 01:29:41,680
out that date easy enough it's part of

1761
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:43,510
rock and roll history although maybe yes

1762
01:29:48,300 --> 01:29:45,970
maybe yes but one thing you should be

1763
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:48,310
aware of because I'm gonna make them

1764
01:29:53,520 --> 01:29:51,610
available to you is if Larry knows

1765
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:53,530
because I mentioned it to him although I

1766
01:29:59,670 --> 01:29:57,040
don't know if I ever did friends joke

1767
01:30:01,500 --> 01:29:59,680
with me still because I'm one of the

1768
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:01,510
only people they know who does not have

1769
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:03,730
a smartphone I have a dumb phone that

1770
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:06,570
runs on coal or squirrel power whatever

1771
01:30:13,170 --> 01:30:10,690
and most of my friends keep their

1772
01:30:16,770 --> 01:30:13,180
appointments for years now in their

1773
01:30:19,260 --> 01:30:16,780
phones very good I am an analog man

1774
01:30:23,550 --> 01:30:19,270
stuck in a digital world and I still

1775
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:23,560
keep a date book you know with my

1776
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:25,120
appointments written in it

1777
01:30:29,819 --> 01:30:28,690
I have kept date books like many of us

1778
01:30:32,490 --> 01:30:29,829
going back to

1779
01:30:34,709 --> 01:30:32,500
before we had smartphones but in my case

1780
01:30:38,010 --> 01:30:34,719
have done something different for more

1781
01:30:39,209 --> 01:30:38,020
than 40 years I have saved every single

1782
01:30:42,359 --> 01:30:39,219
appointment book

1783
01:30:46,229 --> 01:30:42,369
I have kept I have every appointment

1784
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:46,239
book for every moment since I have known

1785
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:50,170
Larry Warren every weekend that he would

1786
01:30:55,649 --> 01:30:52,570
come to stay with me in New York for

1787
01:30:56,910 --> 01:30:55,659
years or every time we went to England

1788
01:31:00,240 --> 01:30:56,920
together or spoke at a conference

1789
01:31:03,030 --> 01:31:00,250
together or what have you is dutifully

1790
01:31:06,689 --> 01:31:03,040
noted in my appointment book as one

1791
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:06,699
would expect all of those indications in

1792
01:31:13,709 --> 01:31:09,489
different kinds of ink and pencil can be

1793
01:31:16,760 --> 01:31:13,719
verified as authentic or not I am going

1794
01:31:20,370 --> 01:31:16,770
to loan those to you as you move forward

1795
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:20,380
just to have is one more tool to verify

1796
01:31:27,089 --> 01:31:24,130
or not and I can tell you and your

1797
01:31:30,350 --> 01:31:27,099
audience I am not making any additions

1798
01:31:32,580 --> 01:31:30,360
or changes before I send them out also

1799
01:31:35,010 --> 01:31:32,590
you should be aware and your audience

1800
01:31:37,379 --> 01:31:35,020
should be aware of the following one of

1801
01:31:39,660 --> 01:31:37,389
the first lies that Larry told me and it

1802
01:31:42,799 --> 01:31:39,670
was literally when we were making our

1803
01:31:46,589 --> 01:31:42,809
agreement to write this book together

1804
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:46,599
was he as long as he got to write his

1805
01:31:51,899 --> 01:31:49,570
part I was for you to organize and

1806
01:31:54,419 --> 01:31:51,909
assemble the book based on you know his

1807
01:31:58,890 --> 01:31:54,429
final say-so anyway that I wanted

1808
01:32:01,319 --> 01:31:58,900
however one of my terms not wanting any

1809
01:32:04,770 --> 01:32:01,329
more work than I was taking on was that

1810
01:32:09,149 --> 01:32:04,780
he deliver every chapter to me on a

1811
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:09,159
floppy disk as we had back then typed

1812
01:32:13,350 --> 01:32:11,290
out and double-spaced he said that would

1813
01:32:14,939 --> 01:32:13,360
be no problem and then told me he typed

1814
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:14,949
X number of words a minute and it was a

1815
01:32:20,490 --> 01:32:18,159
very high number when I finally got the

1816
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:20,500
first chapter from him it was written

1817
01:32:26,939 --> 01:32:24,210
out by hand on yellow legal pad

1818
01:32:29,459 --> 01:32:26,949
single-spaced and I called to his

1819
01:32:32,549 --> 01:32:29,469
attention that was not our agreement no

1820
01:32:35,149 --> 01:32:32,559
sorry man I forgot I worked around it

1821
01:32:38,100 --> 01:32:35,159
and with it as well as I could it was

1822
01:32:40,319 --> 01:32:38,110
not very good Larry got better as the

1823
01:32:42,850 --> 01:32:40,329
writers we went on but the early

1824
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:42,860
chapters were not well written

1825
01:32:50,440 --> 01:32:46,850
I made a large number of suggested

1826
01:32:52,030 --> 01:32:50,450
changes in my own handwriting squeezing

1827
01:32:55,300 --> 01:32:52,040
it in where I could because it was

1828
01:32:57,490 --> 01:32:55,310
single spaced the huge majority of which

1829
01:33:01,830 --> 01:32:57,500
he okayed and you will see in left at

1830
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:01,840
Eastgate the second one was handed in

1831
01:33:07,030 --> 01:33:04,310
after agreeing yes you know give you

1832
01:33:10,350 --> 01:33:07,040
double space type single spaced written

1833
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:10,360
and once again I said this was not okay

1834
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:13,250
it was with that second one he basically

1835
01:33:17,500 --> 01:33:15,920
said I don't even have the money for a

1836
01:33:20,130 --> 01:33:17,510
computer this is the way it's going to

1837
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:20,140
be like it or not take it or leave it I

1838
01:33:28,890 --> 01:33:24,050
wanted to help tell that story it ran my

1839
01:33:33,850 --> 01:33:28,900
life for years and I basically you know

1840
01:33:37,210 --> 01:33:33,860
agreed unhappily and did it so every

1841
01:33:39,190 --> 01:33:37,220
single chapter that Larry wrote that's

1842
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:39,200
in left that he escaped the first draft

1843
01:33:48,730 --> 01:33:42,890
is not typed it's longhand with all of

1844
01:33:53,470 --> 01:33:48,740
my suggested changes on it I also have

1845
01:33:55,780 --> 01:33:53,480
every single note and letter and card or

1846
01:33:57,850 --> 01:33:55,790
whatever he ever wrote and gave me or

1847
01:34:00,910 --> 01:33:57,860
sent to me I guess what I'm saying here

1848
01:34:03,340 --> 01:34:00,920
is next to Larry Warren I probably have

1849
01:34:06,430 --> 01:34:03,350
the largest collection of Larry Warren's

1850
01:34:10,060 --> 01:34:06,440
handwriting in the world it's in a box

1851
01:34:11,500 --> 01:34:10,070
in storage where it's been for years but

1852
01:34:13,690 --> 01:34:11,510
I've been thinking and I'm gonna say it

1853
01:34:16,630 --> 01:34:13,700
here now I'm loaning you all of this

1854
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:16,640
material Sasha I want you to scan it so

1855
01:34:21,850 --> 01:34:19,850
you have a permanent record I want for

1856
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:21,860
any verification purposes for as long as

1857
01:34:27,070 --> 01:34:24,320
you need it to draw from this huge

1858
01:34:28,570 --> 01:34:27,080
archive which spans years of his

1859
01:34:33,670 --> 01:34:28,580
handwriting

1860
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:33,680
his you know quirky syntaxes classic

1861
01:34:41,140 --> 01:34:38,480
spelling errors etc etc and the flowery

1862
01:34:44,440 --> 01:34:41,150
complains and says that this is his and

1863
01:34:48,190 --> 01:34:44,450
that he should be having it returned to

1864
01:34:49,930 --> 01:34:48,200
him I will respond by saying no it's not

1865
01:34:52,270 --> 01:34:49,940
yours it's mine

1866
01:34:55,180 --> 01:34:52,280
you made me work for it you absolutely

1867
01:34:55,860 --> 01:34:55,190
violated our agreement by forcing me to

1868
01:34:59,730 --> 01:34:55,870
have the X

1869
01:35:03,720 --> 01:34:59,740
to work and you've never wanted it back

1870
01:35:07,530 --> 01:35:03,730
if he wants I'll be happy to make copies

1871
01:35:10,620 --> 01:35:07,540
for him as well and if he will pay for

1872
01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:10,630
the postage I will be happy to send it

1873
01:35:15,810 --> 01:35:14,320
to him so that he has records of the

1874
01:35:18,330 --> 01:35:15,820
things that you will have a record of

1875
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:18,340
and at a certain point should be made

1876
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:22,810
public and go on one thank you very much

1877
01:35:29,790 --> 01:35:27,850
I will do all of that and more I'm kind

1878
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:29,800
of hoping that little scribbled now or

1879
01:35:36,150 --> 01:35:31,690
what however it was presented to you

1880
01:35:47,460 --> 01:35:36,160
that he forged that steve la pluie

1881
01:35:49,170 --> 01:35:47,470
broats yes but he will happily say

1882
01:35:53,130 --> 01:35:49,180
whether that's his or not unsure some

1883
01:35:55,860 --> 01:35:53,140
handwriting samples of his own well

1884
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:55,870
because he's been you know very angry

1885
01:35:59,730 --> 01:35:57,250
about some of the things that have been

1886
01:36:01,320 --> 01:35:59,740
said and done oh no he's been very open

1887
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:01,330
of course

1888
01:36:07,650 --> 01:36:03,730
Larry's accused him of lying as well oh

1889
01:36:11,850 --> 01:36:07,660
yeah but actually got an amazing memory

1890
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:11,860
and he's also one of the most honorable

1891
01:36:17,070 --> 01:36:14,410
and firstly moral people I know I mean

1892
01:36:18,870 --> 01:36:17,080
he is a Christian word indeed and

1893
01:36:22,890 --> 01:36:18,880
somebody who got his life straight after

1894
01:36:24,900 --> 01:36:22,900
a lot of years of being half crazy I

1895
01:36:26,310 --> 01:36:24,910
have tremendous admiration for him and

1896
01:36:28,530 --> 01:36:26,320
for those people that are not aware of

1897
01:36:32,420 --> 01:36:28,540
we're talking about let me take a minute

1898
01:36:34,650 --> 01:36:32,430
or two to lay it out and the updated

1899
01:36:37,170 --> 01:36:34,660
expanded version of left that he escaped

1900
01:36:41,630 --> 01:36:37,180
published in 2005 the version that many

1901
01:36:45,630 --> 01:36:41,640
people have from Cosmo press in New York

1902
01:36:47,970 --> 01:36:45,640
the additions to the book this is the

1903
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:47,980
way that print-on-demand works it's a

1904
01:36:53,610 --> 01:36:51,040
little annoying but it's cheaper all of

1905
01:36:55,880 --> 01:36:53,620
the updates are not where they should be

1906
01:36:59,550 --> 01:36:55,890
you know in sequence of the chronology

1907
01:37:01,850 --> 01:36:59,560
of the story or where they you know

1908
01:37:06,750 --> 01:37:01,860
makes sense they're all up front and

1909
01:37:09,180 --> 01:37:06,760
there's essentially a note to readers

1910
01:37:09,810 --> 01:37:09,190
that they might want to bypass all of

1911
01:37:11,610 --> 01:37:09,820
this material

1912
01:37:14,610 --> 01:37:11,620
and then come back to it at the end

1913
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:14,620
where it logically fits in some people

1914
01:37:21,050 --> 01:37:19,330
do some people don't not long after the

1915
01:37:24,230 --> 01:37:21,060
book was published and after our

1916
01:37:27,120 --> 01:37:24,240
triumphant tour of the United Kingdom

1917
01:37:29,850 --> 01:37:27,130
and then returning a second time at the

1918
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:29,860
end of the summer to speak at before a

1919
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:33,280
conference Larry gave me once again

1920
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:35,610
handwritten in his handwriting on a

1921
01:37:45,660 --> 01:37:41,370
number of sheets of regular legal pad

1922
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:45,670
excerpts from letters and emails that he

1923
01:37:52,170 --> 01:37:48,970
said that he had received from a number

1924
01:37:57,660 --> 01:37:52,180
of the men who were either in the book

1925
01:38:02,580 --> 01:37:57,670
or were legitimately you know there at

1926
01:38:04,260 --> 01:38:02,590
the time I received several also most of

1927
01:38:08,090 --> 01:38:04,270
them of course went till hereas would

1928
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:08,100
have been appropriate why he didn't

1929
01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:12,400
simply make copies of any letters that

1930
01:38:18,570 --> 01:38:16,450
had come in to him or print out emails I

1931
01:38:22,170 --> 01:38:18,580
didn't really question you know he

1932
01:38:26,010 --> 01:38:22,180
wanted to write it out fine I could oh

1933
01:38:28,460 --> 01:38:26,020
yes it's all okay now one or two of them

1934
01:38:31,580 --> 01:38:28,470
I verified and indeed they were accurate

1935
01:38:35,610 --> 01:38:31,590
the one that comes to my mind right now

1936
01:38:38,210 --> 01:38:35,620
was a gentleman who I don't think was

1937
01:38:42,540 --> 01:38:38,220
mentioned in the book but Timothy agaric

1938
01:38:45,060 --> 01:38:42,550
was on site at the time may have been in

1939
01:38:46,830 --> 01:38:45,070
the weapons storage area at the time but

1940
01:38:48,780 --> 01:38:46,840
he verified a certain amount of this is

1941
01:38:51,210 --> 01:38:48,790
and that's and that's and we correspond

1942
01:38:54,540 --> 01:38:51,220
it a bit one of the things was from

1943
01:38:58,380 --> 01:38:54,550
Steve lipu who was also a security cop

1944
01:39:01,440 --> 01:38:58,390
also D Flight as I recall not involved

1945
01:39:04,700 --> 01:39:01,450
on the night Larry says he was but had

1946
01:39:08,340 --> 01:39:04,710
his own UFO incident some weeks later

1947
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:08,350
that had a tremendously negative impact

1948
01:39:15,300 --> 01:39:12,690
on women and to leave the service anyway

1949
01:39:19,140 --> 01:39:15,310
I'm not even going to take the time to

1950
01:39:20,820 --> 01:39:19,150
pull it out but you know G X number of

1951
01:39:22,610 --> 01:39:20,830
years really blew by and I'm glad

1952
01:39:25,130 --> 01:39:22,620
somebody wrote about this

1953
01:39:26,630 --> 01:39:25,140
and you know you're right I remember the

1954
01:39:28,550 --> 01:39:26,640
debriefing you know the guy saying

1955
01:39:31,070 --> 01:39:28,560
bullets are cheap you know if only blah

1956
01:39:34,430 --> 01:39:31,080
blah blah okay great

1957
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:34,440
it was fell on me to organize all of

1958
01:39:39,650 --> 01:39:37,770
this material and I started literally

1959
01:39:43,220 --> 01:39:39,660
the day after we handed the manuscript

1960
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:43,230
in 1996 just opened a new file you know

1961
01:39:49,940 --> 01:39:46,770
new stuff on Rendlesham and much of it

1962
01:39:53,180 --> 01:39:49,950
went into the revised updated edition of

1963
01:39:55,160 --> 01:39:53,190
the book so the book is published I've

1964
01:39:56,180 --> 01:39:55,170
been corresponding for Steve with years

1965
01:39:58,430 --> 01:39:56,190
for years

1966
01:40:00,140 --> 01:39:58,440
we then meet each other in New York City

1967
01:40:02,240 --> 01:40:00,150
his older daughter is looking at

1968
01:40:04,370 --> 01:40:02,250
colleges he's been living in China all

1969
01:40:07,550 --> 01:40:04,380
right a woman there and had two lovely

1970
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:07,560
daughters marriage got divorce custody

1971
01:40:13,310 --> 01:40:10,410
of the kids and he and they are in the

1972
01:40:16,220 --> 01:40:13,320
States now anyway our friendship became

1973
01:40:21,410 --> 01:40:16,230
more cordial and then sometime after

1974
01:40:23,090 --> 01:40:21,420
that he agreed to speak on his

1975
01:40:25,060 --> 01:40:23,100
experiences and memories and thoughts

1976
01:40:27,050 --> 01:40:25,070
regarding his own experience and

1977
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:27,060
reflections on the greater one but

1978
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:29,520
mostly his own and it was a particularly

1979
01:40:36,230 --> 01:40:33,840
memorable and poignant talk he had only

1980
01:40:40,210 --> 01:40:36,240
spoken publicly one time before and it

1981
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:40,220
was with Larry at a MUFON meeting in

1982
01:40:47,780 --> 01:40:43,890
Massachusetts in 1984 I think so here we

1983
01:40:51,260 --> 01:40:47,790
are now this is maybe four years five

1984
01:40:53,690 --> 01:40:51,270
years ago whatever and it's in his

1985
01:40:56,300 --> 01:40:53,700
hometown that's the thing a place called

1986
01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:56,310
Leominster Massachusetts which now has

1987
01:41:01,160 --> 01:40:58,800
an annual UFO conference so the people

1988
01:41:03,620 --> 01:41:01,170
in that audience in many cases were

1989
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:03,630
people who knew him from the time he was

1990
01:41:08,540 --> 01:41:06,330
born people who went to high school with

1991
01:41:12,130 --> 01:41:08,550
his sister who's a retired police

1992
01:41:15,710 --> 01:41:12,140
officer in town it was very poignant and

1993
01:41:19,130 --> 01:41:15,720
after we were talking I was really quite

1994
01:41:22,510 --> 01:41:19,140
knocked out by his talk and I gave him a

1995
01:41:25,190 --> 01:41:22,520
copy of left that he's gay as a gift

1996
01:41:27,230 --> 01:41:25,200
Steve reacts Steve's reaction and says

1997
01:41:30,560 --> 01:41:27,240
something about him and his character

1998
01:41:34,130 --> 01:41:30,570
was thank you and I'm gonna hold off on

1999
01:41:36,020 --> 01:41:34,140
reading it why well I know that Colonel

2000
01:41:39,020 --> 01:41:36,030
halt is working on a book

2001
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:39,030
and I'm trying not to take I'm not

2002
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:40,800
taking sides here I want to read his

2003
01:41:44,180 --> 01:41:42,810
book and evaluate it and want to read

2004
01:41:46,910 --> 01:41:44,190
you as a Larry book and I'm evaluating

2005
01:41:51,560 --> 01:41:46,920
so I'm gonna wait until Colonel Hoffs

2006
01:41:53,420 --> 01:41:51,570
book comes out his book took another two

2007
01:41:56,840 --> 01:41:53,430
or three years to come out as I recall

2008
01:42:01,040 --> 01:41:56,850
be that as it may I go home Steve goes

2009
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:01,050
home and a few days later I get an email

2010
01:42:07,640 --> 01:42:03,930
from him and granted we have a history

2011
01:42:09,710 --> 01:42:07,650
of communicating goes back years this

2012
01:42:12,260 --> 01:42:09,720
was not like any email that I had ever

2013
01:42:14,830 --> 01:42:12,270
received from him and I really had an

2014
01:42:18,170 --> 01:42:14,840
impact on me the gist of it was even

2015
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:18,180
though I said I wasn't going to start

2016
01:42:23,800 --> 01:42:20,010
reading your and Larry's book until I

2017
01:42:28,130 --> 01:42:23,810
got halts book I was curious so I read

2018
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:28,140
the the new stuff the added stuff first

2019
01:42:35,870 --> 01:42:32,880
I just wanted you to know I have no

2020
01:42:40,190 --> 01:42:35,880
intention at this point of reading the

2021
01:42:42,710 --> 01:42:40,200
rest of your book I really have to say

2022
01:42:44,510 --> 01:42:42,720
I'm very disappointed in you I'm what

2023
01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:44,520
respect I had for you I don't have any

2024
01:42:50,660 --> 01:42:48,090
more and I won't be contacting you again

2025
01:42:54,140 --> 01:42:50,670
don't contact me again it was that kind

2026
01:42:56,330 --> 01:42:54,150
of email I was mortified I mean I really

2027
01:42:58,010 --> 01:42:56,340
like the guy he's a good I thought he

2028
01:43:01,490 --> 01:42:58,020
was a friend at that point we had a real

2029
01:43:02,930 --> 01:43:01,500
rapport it's really wonderful to see how

2030
01:43:05,180 --> 01:43:02,940
he'd gotten his life together at that

2031
01:43:08,150 --> 01:43:05,190
point and I immediately wrote him back

2032
01:43:10,730 --> 01:43:08,160
asking him what he didn't want to talk

2033
01:43:12,650 --> 01:43:10,740
about it but finally on the second email

2034
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:12,660
please tell me what I've done and what

2035
01:43:18,500 --> 01:43:16,050
he told me was this I got to the point

2036
01:43:21,500 --> 01:43:18,510
where you're talking about

2037
01:43:23,090 --> 01:43:21,510
after your book came out in 97 that

2038
01:43:25,790 --> 01:43:23,100
people started writing to you and Larry

2039
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:25,800
guys you know who I knew who they were

2040
01:43:33,770 --> 01:43:29,610
who were involved and then you quote me

2041
01:43:37,160 --> 01:43:33,780
and you say that I wrote what's credited

2042
01:43:39,170 --> 01:43:37,170
to me in the book I never wrote Larry I

2043
01:43:40,160 --> 01:43:39,180
never wrote you I never wrote anything

2044
01:43:44,740 --> 01:43:40,170
like that

2045
01:43:49,180 --> 01:43:44,750
I thought oh my god my first thought was

2046
01:43:50,979 --> 01:43:49,190
because I take responsibility

2047
01:43:54,189 --> 01:43:50,989
things that I think I should take

2048
01:43:56,920 --> 01:43:54,199
responsibility for I'm the guy that put

2049
01:44:00,670 --> 01:43:56,930
it all together what did I do wrong

2050
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:00,680
how did I screw this up and I went

2051
01:44:06,820 --> 01:44:04,370
through all of my notes I I couldn't

2052
01:44:10,689 --> 01:44:06,830
figure it out I mean I had Larry's

2053
01:44:11,950 --> 01:44:10,699
original writing with him there and then

2054
01:44:15,450 --> 01:44:11,960
I got it

2055
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:15,460
I thought oh my god either he or I

2056
01:44:19,450 --> 01:44:17,810
Larry's dyslexic in some ways i'm

2057
01:44:24,729 --> 01:44:19,460
dyslexic in other ways a lot of people

2058
01:44:28,030 --> 01:44:24,739
are I thought wow there were two Steve

2059
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:28,040
ELLs Steve's with the first with the

2060
01:44:33,820 --> 01:44:30,770
last initial L who were involved in this

2061
01:44:37,020 --> 01:44:33,830
story even peripherally there was Steve

2062
01:44:42,010 --> 01:44:37,030
look loom and there was Steve Leung zero

2063
01:44:44,110 --> 01:44:42,020
who was not with Larry in that circle of

2064
01:44:48,729 --> 01:44:44,120
men Larry was alleging but he was out

2065
01:44:53,170 --> 01:44:48,739
there and he was I think taken full

2066
01:44:55,689 --> 01:44:53,180
advantage of by being a highly touted

2067
01:44:57,340 --> 01:44:55,699
speaker at Gary's last conference I'm

2068
01:44:59,740 --> 01:44:57,350
sure he had a great time who wouldn't

2069
01:45:02,770 --> 01:44:59,750
free trip to England and all but I

2070
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:02,780
thought well that's it somehow it was

2071
01:45:07,959 --> 01:45:05,600
Steve Leung Jarrow who wrote that to

2072
01:45:10,510 --> 01:45:07,969
Larry and I screwed it up somehow God

2073
01:45:13,030 --> 01:45:10,520
how could I do that but I did how what

2074
01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:13,040
else could be the answer and I contacted

2075
01:45:18,580 --> 01:45:16,130
Steve's lawn Jarrow who I also had a

2076
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:18,590
rapport with at that point but I'm a

2077
01:45:23,260 --> 01:45:21,410
little more superficial you know we were

2078
01:45:26,140 --> 01:45:23,270
back and forth to each other every year

2079
01:45:29,620 --> 01:45:26,150
or two years how's the family

2080
01:45:33,010 --> 01:45:29,630
primarily through being Facebook friends

2081
01:45:35,350 --> 01:45:33,020
and I contacted him and just said I

2082
01:45:39,250 --> 01:45:35,360
think I made a mistake in the book can

2083
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:39,260
you confirm for me or deny that you

2084
01:45:43,810 --> 01:45:41,330
wrote or didn't write this thing that I

2085
01:45:45,100 --> 01:45:43,820
had ascribed to Steve La Plume and he

2086
01:45:48,670 --> 01:45:45,110
got right back to me said nope

2087
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:48,680
wasn't me and it was then that I

2088
01:45:54,189 --> 01:45:50,570
realized that weren't completely faked

2089
01:45:56,950 --> 01:45:54,199
it it was total bull and it was

2090
01:45:59,320 --> 01:45:56,960
something that he added in with some of

2091
01:46:00,970 --> 01:45:59,330
the ones that he had in fact gotten that

2092
01:46:02,430 --> 01:46:00,980
were authentic I haven't checked them

2093
01:46:07,080 --> 01:46:02,440
all out maybe some of them aren't

2094
01:46:12,690 --> 01:46:07,090
some of them are that one wasn't one

2095
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:12,700
more line in the book insane so there's

2096
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:17,410
another thing that you said that he'd

2097
01:46:30,180 --> 01:46:19,450
done you know I'm gonna because we've

2098
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:30,190
got about let me see about twelve

2099
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:38,790
he's there's a couple of things that he

2100
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:43,650
said that he said now that his father

2101
01:46:52,770 --> 01:46:48,000
was a legal guy in the music industry

2102
01:46:58,440 --> 01:46:52,780
Larry's father yes as far as an

2103
01:47:01,490 --> 01:46:58,450
insurance adjuster right so a guy in the

2104
01:47:08,010 --> 01:47:01,500
insurance industry no it's a legal guy

2105
01:47:11,010 --> 01:47:08,020
yeah that is how he met John Lennon as a

2106
01:47:14,190 --> 01:47:11,020
child he's gone from never meeting him

2107
01:47:16,620 --> 01:47:14,200
so every man for three times so told me

2108
01:47:19,350 --> 01:47:16,630
when I pushed him on and he told me he

2109
01:47:21,780 --> 01:47:19,360
met John Lennon the first time through

2110
01:47:27,150 --> 01:47:21,790
his dad but know his dad was always a

2111
01:47:29,490 --> 01:47:27,160
very respected adjuster of insurance

2112
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:29,500
situations and the example Larry gave me

2113
01:47:34,110 --> 01:47:31,570
which left me with endless respect for

2114
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:34,120
his dad was some of your listeners may

2115
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:36,610
remember I don't know 30 years ago and

2116
01:47:42,180 --> 01:47:40,210
longer there was a volcanic eruption I

2117
01:47:44,130 --> 01:47:42,190
think in the Philippines and the

2118
01:47:47,220 --> 01:47:44,140
Americans had had a base there since

2119
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:47,230
world war ii called Subic Bay if I'm

2120
01:47:52,050 --> 01:47:50,080
remembering correctly and the base was

2121
01:47:55,020 --> 01:47:52,060
totaled I mean it was just basically

2122
01:47:59,610 --> 01:47:55,030
covered with lava and ash and they had

2123
01:48:04,110 --> 01:47:59,620
to establish the loss and his father so

2124
01:48:07,110 --> 01:48:04,120
Larry told me led the team of insurance

2125
01:48:09,660 --> 01:48:07,120
adjusters that are qualified to come up

2126
01:48:11,280 --> 01:48:09,670
with numbers like that which I obviously

2127
01:48:14,820 --> 01:48:11,290
would be a very highly trained and

2128
01:48:16,319 --> 01:48:14,830
specialized job that is the only thing

2129
01:48:19,020 --> 01:48:16,329
that he has ever told

2130
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:19,030
that he ever told me about his father's

2131
01:48:23,609 --> 01:48:21,520
career certainly no involvement in the

2132
01:48:24,959 --> 01:48:23,619
law and no involvement in the music

2133
01:48:26,609 --> 01:48:24,969
industry but of course that probably

2134
01:48:31,589 --> 01:48:26,619
something he was saving for his next

2135
01:48:34,109 --> 01:48:31,599
book he said he met Jonathan as a child

2136
01:48:38,970 --> 01:48:34,119
and then but you know we know that in

2137
01:48:41,819 --> 01:48:38,980
the in 2011 he had a hat and glasses for

2138
01:48:44,189 --> 01:48:41,829
sale it went in NME and where he quoted

2139
01:48:46,109 --> 01:48:44,199
that he was a bodyguard for John then in

2140
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:46,119
the picture that he put on Facebook he

2141
01:48:52,370 --> 01:48:48,639
wasn't bodyguard for John that's right

2142
01:48:56,010 --> 01:48:52,380
yeah close protection of security and

2143
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:56,020
yeah and then he said but he met him at

2144
01:49:00,209 --> 01:48:58,000
Cafe Fortuna two days before he was

2145
01:49:06,030 --> 01:49:00,219
supposed to come into Bentwaters because

2146
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:06,040
he's fine everybody who takes pictures

2147
01:49:27,450 --> 01:49:20,050
of Larry and famous people so his first

2148
01:49:30,359 --> 01:49:27,460
wedding to Cindy Steve was first see he

2149
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:30,369
was at the evening dew and there was no

2150
01:49:40,379 --> 01:49:37,360
mention of so I'm gonna check the date

2151
01:49:41,819 --> 01:49:40,389
on this because I don't know 1986 just

2152
01:49:45,810 --> 01:49:41,829
before about he wasn't there and you

2153
01:49:51,319 --> 01:49:45,820
know what he was doing what you 86 right

2154
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:56,000
shake hands and say hi after he gave his

2155
01:50:01,740 --> 01:49:59,199
public account had a break during an

2156
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:01,750
open meeting on the Westchester New York

2157
01:50:06,689 --> 01:50:04,000
UFO sightings then that was three years

2158
01:50:09,689 --> 01:50:06,699
till we actually meant so yeah we met in

2159
01:50:12,839 --> 01:50:09,699
passing in 84 then we met in earnest the

2160
01:50:15,600 --> 01:50:12,849
summer of 87 when we decided shortly

2161
01:50:21,270 --> 01:50:15,610
after two I would accept his invitation

2162
01:50:24,270 --> 01:50:21,280
to work on the book with him contact

2163
01:50:29,729 --> 01:50:27,870
Bob Jovi and he was at a party was on

2164
01:50:31,709 --> 01:50:29,739
this stage and he was a

2165
01:50:32,940 --> 01:50:31,719
Carlin and Whitehurst because there one

2166
01:50:34,440 --> 01:50:32,950
Mississippi Alliance airplane but they

2167
01:50:35,820 --> 01:50:34,450
were never going to be in like Zeppelin

2168
01:50:39,570 --> 01:50:35,830
so they're this big

2169
01:50:42,300 --> 01:50:39,580
Zeppelin party and you know they

2170
01:50:43,950 --> 01:50:42,310
emulated the infamous Zeppelin party

2171
01:50:46,620 --> 01:50:43,960
which obviously it wary will have beena

2172
01:50:51,000 --> 01:50:46,630
because he was that our publicist even

2173
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:51,010
though he's like a child so yeah also he

2174
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:52,960
did live a did you know my it was a live

2175
01:51:03,560 --> 01:50:56,770
version philadelphia backstage i was i

2176
01:51:09,860 --> 01:51:07,340
yeah oh oh the beautiful thing about the

2177
01:51:12,959 --> 01:51:09,870
[Music]

2178
01:51:15,630 --> 01:51:12,969
Atlantic Records gig was that when he

2179
01:51:18,209 --> 01:51:15,640
was studying the queue in the for a beer

2180
01:51:20,310 --> 01:51:18,219
Henry Kissinger was stood behind him and

2181
01:51:27,300 --> 01:51:20,320
he looked over and he saw David Gilmer

2182
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:27,310
with a tear in his eye what a memory no

2183
01:51:39,720 --> 01:51:37,930
no 1993 I just bombed around for seven

2184
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:39,730
years until he moved to England sir

2185
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:41,440
how was he working for at once it

2186
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:46,239
records but of course all of you know

2187
01:51:51,229 --> 01:51:49,090
see what you kind of like do the math it

2188
01:51:58,080 --> 01:51:51,239
boggles the mind

2189
01:52:00,330 --> 01:51:58,090
steel industry as well but then he said

2190
01:52:03,870 --> 01:52:00,340
what that thing that I did it's kill me

2191
01:52:06,420 --> 01:52:03,880
I did that but I didn't like it no you

2192
01:52:10,050 --> 01:52:06,430
had on stage that you were there in your

2193
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:10,060
capacity as consultant in the steel

2194
01:52:16,830 --> 01:52:14,770
industry and then he said I was in that

2195
01:52:21,450 --> 01:52:16,840
pit with my brother who works for the

2196
01:52:24,620 --> 01:52:21,460
CIA and we recovered the bodies of nine

2197
01:52:34,050 --> 01:52:29,750
what are you heroic now I understand now

2198
01:52:36,840 --> 01:52:34,060
because I've learned since that over

2199
01:52:39,770 --> 01:52:36,850
that period of time that he was in New

2200
01:52:42,180 --> 01:52:39,780
York working at Ground Zero and

2201
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:42,190
recovering all those bodies and helping

2202
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:43,449
everybody out

2203
01:52:50,729 --> 01:52:49,570
he was living in the Bronx and that one

2204
01:52:54,660 --> 01:52:50,739
little detail

2205
01:52:59,520 --> 01:52:54,670
among others troubles me which is I was

2206
01:53:02,129 --> 01:52:59,530
on Manhattan when those planes hit that

2207
01:53:06,509 --> 01:53:02,139
was a neighborhood that I knew well I

2208
01:53:08,969 --> 01:53:06,519
had friends in the building Larry was by

2209
01:53:11,549 --> 01:53:08,979
then living in Liverpool and married to

2210
01:53:14,580 --> 01:53:11,559
sue do we know how much time he took off

2211
01:53:17,549 --> 01:53:14,590
from his important life in Liverpool to

2212
01:53:20,790 --> 01:53:17,559
be in New York City he made four trips

2213
01:53:24,810 --> 01:53:20,800
to New York four separate trips in New

2214
01:53:28,350 --> 01:53:24,820
York between October and March 2001 now

2215
01:53:29,759 --> 01:53:28,360
I think that he means October not 2001

2216
01:53:34,319 --> 01:53:29,769
yeah that's right

2217
01:53:41,939 --> 01:53:34,329
October 2001 and March 2002 a wonderful

2218
01:53:44,279 --> 01:53:41,949
flew him over and back now isn't he

2219
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:44,289
isn't he on the record as saying that he

2220
01:53:50,580 --> 01:53:49,119
and I had lunch one of those you know

2221
01:53:56,250 --> 01:53:50,590
I'm getting old and I don't remember

2222
01:53:57,870 --> 01:53:56,260
everything but I think also yes oh no

2223
01:53:59,819 --> 01:53:57,880
question you'll have them and you'll see

2224
01:54:02,339 --> 01:53:59,829
that there are no entries for that the

2225
01:54:08,729 --> 01:54:02,349
other thing is and I'd like to pose this

2226
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:08,739
as an invitation to Larry so that you

2227
01:54:14,250 --> 01:54:11,050
and I can get straight with the truth

2228
01:54:17,489 --> 01:54:14,260
and offer our public apologies to him

2229
01:54:19,080 --> 01:54:17,499
for basically having you know a little

2230
01:54:21,750 --> 01:54:19,090
fun at the expense of his outrageous

2231
01:54:25,649 --> 01:54:21,760
lies here and I'm being serious here now

2232
01:54:29,339 --> 01:54:25,659
if he came and left four times then his

2233
01:54:32,580 --> 01:54:29,349
passport from that period of time has

2234
01:54:35,339 --> 01:54:32,590
entry and exit stamps from the UK and

2235
01:54:38,729 --> 01:54:35,349
the United States covering that period

2236
01:54:42,359 --> 01:54:38,739
he can resolve this for us in a moment

2237
01:54:45,719 --> 01:54:42,369
and I know I will be the first to make

2238
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:45,729
my public absolutely heartfelt apologies

2239
01:54:51,299 --> 01:54:49,090
and reevaluate everything that you know

2240
01:54:55,439 --> 01:54:51,309
derogatory people like you have led me

2241
01:54:57,330 --> 01:54:55,449
to believe about him if he simply has

2242
01:55:01,200 --> 01:54:57,340
somebody with a smartphone

2243
01:55:04,919 --> 01:55:01,210
or a camera film him showing us the

2244
01:55:10,620 --> 01:55:04,929
passport opening it up he can certainly

2245
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:10,630
you know take a piece of a post-it and

2246
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:13,330
cover whatever numbers passport number

2247
01:55:18,359 --> 01:55:15,520
whatever we shouldn't be seeing and then

2248
01:55:21,930 --> 01:55:18,369
turn the pages so that we see those

2249
01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:21,940
stamps now I'm going to guess of course

2250
01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:24,250
that he will never address this

2251
01:55:30,149 --> 01:55:26,170
it will never be something that it

2252
01:55:33,359 --> 01:55:30,159
responds to but if he did somebody's dog

2253
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:33,369
ate it it was destroyed in a flood in

2254
01:55:38,459 --> 01:55:35,770
somebody's basement it was confiscated

2255
01:55:43,439 --> 01:55:38,469
because of the high-security nature was

2256
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:43,449
a special passport discharge code and

2257
01:55:48,570 --> 01:55:46,330
that it's an eyes-only kind of thing it

2258
01:55:52,439 --> 01:55:48,580
would be so easy for him to rectify

2259
01:55:55,919 --> 01:55:52,449
these outrageous claims by simply making

2260
01:55:58,530 --> 01:55:55,929
good and proving to us and everybody

2261
01:56:01,919 --> 01:55:58,540
listening and everybody who follows this

2262
01:56:06,030 --> 01:56:01,929
story that we're wrong and that he's

2263
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:06,040
right and that I made a big mistake when

2264
01:56:11,729 --> 01:56:09,010
I veered off the true course and stopped

2265
01:56:15,540 --> 01:56:11,739
championing his cause and I will also of

2266
01:56:19,410 --> 01:56:15,550
course owe a huge huge apology to Gary

2267
01:56:21,209 --> 01:56:19,420
Heseltine as well of course but it's

2268
01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:21,219
just one last thing I want to bring up

2269
01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:26,290
before we quit this he said in the video

2270
01:56:30,810 --> 01:56:28,810
with Gary Heseltine that he wouldn't

2271
01:56:33,240 --> 01:56:30,820
know how he doesn't have any need for

2272
01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:33,250
signatures and he wouldn't know how I

2273
01:56:41,160 --> 01:56:36,210
would like to remind everybody of his

2274
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:41,170
July post in 2017 the way he said they

2275
01:56:46,169 --> 01:56:44,170
are thirty years of dealing with rock

2276
01:56:48,870 --> 01:56:46,179
and roll at the Hard Rock Cafe

2277
01:56:50,970 --> 01:56:48,880
headquarters in Orlando dealing and

2278
01:56:53,550 --> 01:56:50,980
making deals with the estates of very

2279
01:56:56,790 --> 01:56:53,560
famous artists authenticating for major

2280
01:56:59,609 --> 01:56:56,800
houses worldwide attending an FBI

2281
01:57:02,550 --> 01:56:59,619
sponsored forensic handwriting school in

2282
01:57:05,160 --> 01:57:02,560
New York City to understand the art of

2283
01:57:07,470 --> 01:57:05,170
forgery I a learn to swap the eight

2284
01:57:09,959 --> 01:57:07,480
markers of it and lastly sending people

2285
01:57:11,189 --> 01:57:09,969
to prison for fraud then getting accused

2286
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:11,199
of all of the above by you

2287
01:57:15,330 --> 01:57:13,119
Oh Charles whom knows Nero about the

2288
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:15,340
business to start with these folks

2289
01:57:20,279 --> 01:57:18,130
specialize in Reverse facts and lay it

2290
01:57:23,189 --> 01:57:20,289
out for folks who know sono zero to

2291
01:57:26,549 --> 01:57:23,199
spout off about so this is where he's

2292
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:26,559
sat on the UFO monument where he has

2293
01:57:30,839 --> 01:57:28,320
written himself the Jimi Hendrix

2294
01:57:33,479 --> 01:57:30,849
signature which is absolutely accurate

2295
01:57:36,209 --> 01:57:33,489
to Jimi Hendrix except the signature but

2296
01:57:38,370 --> 01:57:36,219
it's written in lipstick so the picture

2297
01:57:40,379 --> 01:57:38,380
below is a direct kick in the face for

2298
01:57:42,449 --> 01:57:40,389
the above-mentioned trolls who may have

2299
01:57:44,850 --> 01:57:42,459
told reported me to the UK government

2300
01:57:47,310 --> 01:57:44,860
for defacing a National Monument wall

2301
01:57:49,500 --> 01:57:47,320
you can't make this [\h__\h] up folks first

2302
01:57:51,989 --> 01:57:49,510
how do they know I did it well he sat

2303
01:57:54,270 --> 01:57:51,999
there with linking with his thumb up I'm

2304
01:57:56,609 --> 01:57:54,280
told it's done in I'm told it's done in

2305
01:58:00,029 --> 01:57:56,619
lipstick he's sat there next to it thus

2306
01:58:03,299 --> 01:58:00,039
not permanent anyway as an expert in

2307
01:58:05,699 --> 01:58:03,309
SIG's of Jimi Hendrix and others I also

2308
01:58:08,279 --> 01:58:05,709
can see this signature does not even

2309
01:58:18,509 --> 01:58:08,289
pass three points of authentic of course

2310
01:58:23,250 --> 01:58:18,519
because he's been dead since 1969 Jimi

2311
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:23,260
died in 70 in September all I can say is

2312
01:58:27,779 --> 01:58:26,050
I'm impressed FBI school I mean the

2313
01:58:35,609 --> 01:58:27,789
guy's got credentials like nobody else

2314
01:58:40,799 --> 01:58:35,619
it's amazing and so silly and so out of

2315
01:58:43,259 --> 01:58:40,809
time two outs of otherwise we could have

2316
01:58:45,029 --> 01:58:43,269
used in something productive well I

2317
01:58:46,799 --> 01:58:45,039
think this was quite productive to be

2318
01:58:49,979 --> 01:58:46,809
honest because it dispels a lot of myths

2319
01:58:52,589 --> 01:58:49,989
and garrage can't just accept that oh

2320
01:58:55,379 --> 01:58:52,599
well if Larry says it it must be true

2321
01:58:57,930 --> 01:58:55,389
but it's not how a detective operates

2322
01:59:01,410 --> 01:58:57,940
there is critical thinking and he just

2323
01:59:05,219 --> 01:59:01,420
accepts him blindly is actually really

2324
01:59:07,770 --> 01:59:05,229
crap so we want people to look at your

2325
01:59:09,049 --> 01:59:07,780
blog and read this

2326
01:59:12,870 --> 01:59:09,059
[Music]

2327
01:59:15,449 --> 01:59:12,880
I've lost a page yeah well your new book

2328
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:15,459
Peter Robbins investigative writer and

2329
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:17,920
it's no no new book although I am

2330
01:59:22,140 --> 01:59:20,170
working on one that has nothing to do

2331
01:59:24,500 --> 01:59:22,150
with Rendlesham know what we're talking

2332
01:59:27,520 --> 01:59:24,510
about is a long stay

2333
01:59:30,380 --> 01:59:27,530
that I posted after evaluating the

2334
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:30,390
evidence and after going through that

2335
01:59:35,810 --> 01:59:33,450
mortifying period of time of realizing

2336
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:35,820
how wrong I had been and spending a year

2337
01:59:40,280 --> 01:59:37,970
and a half after publicly and privately

2338
01:59:42,530 --> 01:59:40,290
apologizing to individuals all over the

2339
01:59:45,170 --> 01:59:42,540
world for having helped to mislead them

2340
01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:45,180
now we're talking about a long post that

2341
01:59:51,979 --> 01:59:48,690
is still front and center on my website

2342
01:59:57,470 --> 01:59:51,989
posted a year and a half ago that you

2343
02:00:01,940 --> 01:59:57,480
simply need to go to Peter Robbins n Y

2344
02:00:04,790 --> 02:00:01,950
dot com it is a website very much in

2345
02:00:07,490 --> 02:00:04,800
need of updating but that piece is front

2346
02:00:10,700 --> 02:00:07,500
and center right there as for the more

2347
02:00:13,340 --> 02:00:10,710
recent response to the outrageous

2348
02:00:17,630 --> 02:00:13,350
anti-semitic attack on me

2349
02:00:20,270 --> 02:00:17,640
Sascha is making that available and we

2350
02:00:24,380 --> 02:00:20,280
will follow with interest the continuing

2351
02:00:29,240 --> 02:00:24,390
drama coming at us from Yorkshire and

2352
02:00:30,920 --> 02:00:29,250
Liverpool back on at some point and

2353
02:00:33,620 --> 02:00:30,930
probably talk about some more stuff to

2354
02:00:34,940 --> 02:00:33,630
do with what's going on but also about

2355
02:00:47,180 --> 02:00:34,950
what you're going to be doing in the

2356
02:00:48,920 --> 02:00:47,190
future yes no longer attached to Larry

2357
02:00:50,690 --> 02:00:48,930
Warren at the hip as you obviously have

2358
02:00:52,550 --> 02:00:50,700
been for the past 40 odd years or

2359
02:00:54,500 --> 02:00:52,560
however long it is but thank you for

2360
02:00:57,800 --> 02:00:54,510
coming on Peter and thank you for

2361
02:01:02,720 --> 02:00:57,810
helping unravel some more of this

2362
02:01:04,760 --> 02:01:02,730
nonsense and obviously with the material

2363
02:01:07,430 --> 02:01:04,770
that you'll be sending me I will be able

2364
02:01:10,610 --> 02:01:07,440
to cross-reference all of his geek stuff

2365
02:01:12,229 --> 02:01:10,620
that he says he's been doing and many

2366
02:01:14,840 --> 02:01:12,239
other dates and things that he keeps

2367
02:01:16,750 --> 02:01:14,850
throwing around will be myths that have